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rynner2 What a Cad! Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
Posted: 28-02-2009 12:02 Post subject: Gobekli Tepe and Eden |
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This is new to me:
Do these mysterious stones mark the site of the Garden of Eden?
By Tom Cox
Last updated at 1:26 AM on 28th February 2009
For the old Kurdish shepherd, it was just another burning hot day in the rolling plains of eastern Turkey. Following his flock over the arid hillsides, he passed the single mulberry tree, which the locals regarded as 'sacred'. The bells on his sheep tinkled in the stillness. Then he spotted something. Crouching down, he brushed away the dust, and exposed a strange, large, oblong stone.
The man looked left and right: there were similar stone rectangles, peeping from the sands. Calling his dog to heel, the shepherd resolved to inform someone of his finds when he got back to the village. Maybe the stones were important.
They certainly were important. The solitary Kurdish man, on that summer's day in 1994, had made the greatest archaeological discovery in 50 years. Others would say he'd made the greatest archaeological discovery ever: a site that has revolutionised the way we look at human history, the origin of religion - and perhaps even the truth behind the Garden of Eden.
A few weeks after his discovery, news of the shepherd's find reached museum curators in the ancient city of Sanliurfa, ten miles south-west of the stones.
They got in touch with the German Archaeological Institute in Istanbul. And so, in late 1994, archaeologist Klaus Schmidt came to the site of Gobekli Tepe (pronounced Go-beckly Tepp-ay) to begin his excavations.
As he puts it: 'As soon as I got there and saw the stones, I knew that if I didn't walk away immediately I would be here for the rest of my life.'
Schmidt stayed. And what he has uncovered is astonishing. Archaeologists worldwide are in rare agreement on the site's importance. 'Gobekli Tepe changes everything,' says Ian Hodder, at Stanford University.
David Lewis-Williams, professor of archaeology at Witwatersrand University in Johannesburg, says: 'Gobekli Tepe is the most important archaeological site in the world.'
Some go even further and say the site and its implications are incredible. As Reading University professor Steve Mithen says: 'Gobekli Tepe is too extraordinary for my mind to understand.'
So what is it that has energised and astounded the sober world of academia?
The site of Gobekli Tepe is simple enough to describe. The oblong stones, unearthed by the shepherd, turned out to be the flat tops of awesome, T-shaped megaliths. Imagine carved and slender versions of the stones of Avebury or Stonehenge.
Most of these standing stones are inscribed with bizarre and delicate images - mainly of boars and ducks, of hunting and game. Sinuous serpents are another common motif. Some of the megaliths show crayfish or lions.
The stones seem to represent human forms - some have stylised 'arms', which angle down the sides. Functionally, the site appears to be a temple, or ritual site, like the stone circles of Western Europe.
To date, 45 of these stones have been dug out - they are arranged in circles from five to ten yards across - but there are indications that much more is to come. Geomagnetic surveys imply that there are hundreds more standing stones, just waiting to be excavated.
So far, so remarkable. If Gobekli Tepe was simply this, it would already be a dazzling site - a Turkish Stonehenge. But several unique factors lift Gobekli Tepe into the archaeological stratosphere - and the realms of the fantastical.
The first is its staggering age. Carbon-dating shows that the complex is at least 12,000 years old, maybe even 13,000 years old.
That means it was built around 10,000BC. By comparison, Stonehenge was built in 3,000 BC and the pyramids of Giza in 2,500 BC.
Gobekli is thus the oldest such site in the world, by a mind-numbing margin. It is so old that it predates settled human life. It is pre-pottery, pre-writing, pre-everything. Gobekli hails from a part of human history that is unimaginably distant, right back in our hunter-gatherer past.
How did cavemen build something so ambitious? Schmidt speculates that bands of hunters would have gathered sporadically at the site, through the decades of construction, living in animal-skin tents, slaughtering local game for food.
The many flint arrowheads found around Gobekli support this thesis; they also support the dating of the site.
This revelation, that Stone Age hunter-gatherers could have built something like Gobekli, is worldchanging, for it shows that the old hunter-gatherer life, in this region of Turkey, was far more advanced than we ever conceived - almost unbelievably sophisticated.
It's as if the gods came down from heaven and built Gobekli for themselves.
This is where we come to the biblical connection, and my own involvement in the Gobekli Tepe story.
About three years ago, intrigued by the first scant details of the site, I flew out to Gobekli. It was a long, wearying journey, but more than worth it, not least as it would later provide the backdrop for a new novel I have written.
Back then, on the day I arrived at the dig, the archaeologists were unearthing mind-blowing artworks. As these sculptures were revealed, I realised that I was among the first people to see them since the end of the Ice Age.
And that's when a tantalising possibility arose. Over glasses of black tea, served in tents right next to the megaliths, Klaus Schmidt told me that, in his opinion, this very spot was once the site of the biblical Garden of Eden. More specifically, as he put it: 'Gobekli Tepe is a temple in Eden.'
To understand how a respected academic like Schmidt can make such a dizzying claim, you need to know that many scholars view the Eden story as folk-memory, or allegory.
Seen in this way, the Eden story, in Genesis, tells us of humanity's innocent and leisured hunter-gatherer past, when we could pluck fruit from the trees, scoop fish from the rivers and spend the rest of our days in pleasure.
But then we 'fell' into the harsher life of farming, with its ceaseless toil and daily grind. And we know primitive farming was harsh, compared to the relative indolence of hunting, because of the archaeological evidence.
When people make the transition from hunter-gathering to settled agriculture, their skeletons change - they temporarily grow smaller and less healthy as the human body adapts to a diet poorer in protein and a more wearisome lifestyle. Likewise, newly domesticated animals get scrawnier.
This begs the question, why adopt farming at all? Many theories have been suggested - from tribal competition, to population pressures, to the extinction of wild animal species. But Schmidt believes that the temple of Gobekli reveals another possible cause.
'To build such a place as this, the hunters must have joined together in numbers. After they finished building, they probably congregated for worship. But then they found that they couldn't feed so many people with regular hunting and gathering.
'So I think they began cultivating the wild grasses on the hills. Religion motivated people to take up farming.'
The reason such theories have special weight is that the move to farming first happened in this same region. These rolling Anatolian plains were the cradle of agriculture.
The world's first farmyard pigs were domesticated at Cayonu, just 60 miles away. Sheep, cattle and goats were also first domesticated in eastern Turkey. Worldwide wheat species descend from einkorn wheat - first cultivated on the hills near Gobekli. Other domestic cereals - such as rye and oats - also started here.
But there was a problem for these early farmers, and it wasn't just that they had adopted a tougher, if ultimately more productive, lifestyle. They also experienced an ecological crisis. These days the landscape surrounding the eerie stones of Gobekli is arid and barren, but it was not always thus. As the carvings on the stones show - and as archaeological remains reveal - this was once a richly pastoral region.
There were herds of game, rivers of fish, and flocks of wildfowl; lush green meadows were ringed by woods and wild orchards. About 10,000 years ago, the Kurdish desert was a 'paradisiacal place', as Schmidt puts it. So what destroyed the environment? The answer is Man.
As we began farming, we changed the landscape and the climate. When the trees were chopped down, the soil leached away; all that ploughing and reaping left the land eroded and bare. What was once an agreeable oasis became a land of stress, toil and diminishing returns.
And so, paradise was lost. Adam the hunter was forced out of his glorious Eden, 'to till the earth from whence he was taken' - as the Bible puts it.
Of course, these theories might be dismissed as speculations. Yet there is plenty of historical evidence to show that the writers of the Bible, when talking of Eden, were, indeed, describing this corner of Kurdish Turkey.
In the Book of Genesis, it is indicated that Eden is west of Assyria. Sure enough, this is where Gobekli is sited.
Likewise, biblical Eden is by four rivers, including the Tigris and Euphrates. And Gobekli lies between both of these.
In ancient Assyrian texts, there is mention of a 'Beth Eden' - a house of Eden. This minor kingdom was 50 miles from Gobekli Tepe.
Another book in the Old Testament talks of 'the children of Eden which were in Thelasar', a town in northern Syria, near Gobekli.
The very word 'Eden' comes from the Sumerian for 'plain'; Gobekli lies on the plains of Harran.
Thus, when you put it all together, the evidence is persuasive. Gobekli Tepe is, indeed, a 'temple in Eden', built by our leisured and fortunate ancestors - people who had time to cultivate art, architecture and complex ritual, before the traumas of agriculture ruined their lifestyle, and devastated their paradise.
It's a stunning and seductive idea. Yet it has a sinister epilogue. Because the loss of paradise seems to have had a strange and darkening effect on the human mind.
A few years ago, archaeologists at nearby Cayonu unearthed a hoard of human skulls. They were found under an altar-like slab, stained with human blood.
No one is sure, but this may be the earliest evidence for human sacrifice: one of the most inexplicable of human behaviours and one that could have evolved only in the face of terrible societal stress.
Experts may argue over the evidence at Cayonu. But what no one denies is that human sacrifice took place in this region, spreading to Palestine, Canaan and Israel.
Archaeological evidence suggests that victims were killed in huge death pits, children were buried alive in jars, others roasted in vast bronze bowls.
These are almost incomprehensible acts, unless you understand that the people had learned to fear their gods, having been cast out of paradise. So they sought to propitiate the angry heavens.
This savagery may, indeed, hold the key to one final, bewildering mystery. The astonishing stones and friezes of Gobekli Tepe are preserved intact for a bizarre reason.
Long ago, the site was deliberately and systematically buried in a feat of labour every bit as remarkable as the stone carvings.
Around 8,000 BC, the creators of Gobekli turned on their achievement and entombed their glorious temple under thousands of tons of earth, creating the artificial hills on which that Kurdish shepherd walked in 1994.
No one knows why Gobekli was buried. Maybe it was interred as a kind of penance: a sacrifice to the angry gods, who had cast the hunters out of paradise. Perhaps it was for shame at the violence and bloodshed that the stone-worship had helped provoke.
Whatever the answer, the parallels with our own era are stark. As we contemplate a new age of ecological turbulence, maybe the silent, sombre, 12,000-year-old stones of Gobekli Tepe are trying to speak to us, to warn us, as they stare across the first Eden we destroyed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1157784/Do-mysterious-stones-mark-site-Garden-Eden.html |
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ProfessorF Great Old One Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Total posts: 336 Location: Ulan Bator - inside my head looking out Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 28-02-2009 15:02 Post subject: |
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IIRC, there was a TV show that mentioned it. Possibly BBC.  |
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_TMS_ profane, harsh, unharmonious Great Old One Joined: 23 Jul 2003 Total posts: 748 Location: Kusinagara Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 28-02-2009 17:36 Post subject: |
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I thought we had a thread on this amazing place already, but it may have been on the Cabinet of Wonders instead. Anyway, here's another article, that covers some slightly different ground:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/gobekli-tepe.html?c=y&page=1
Interesting to note that it seems 60% of the bone fragments classified so far are animal, so although there was undoubted human sacrifice, and let's not forget that every primitive culture seemed to be fond of ritual human sacrifice, up to much more recent times (Greeks until about 1000-500BCE, Romans until about 100BCE to name but a couple), so the usual Daily Mail attempt to spin societal "shame" as a reason for abandoning the site is IMO only, total bollocks. More likely the flood of Deucalion had something to do with it... |
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EnolaGaia Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Total posts: 1304 Location: USA Gender: Male |
Posted: 28-02-2009 18:47 Post subject: |
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According to this Web summary about Cayonu:
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/turkeycayonu.htm
... the blood residues on the allegedly sacrificial slab at Cayonu date back circa 9000 years (per a 1989 publication) - i.e., to circa 7000 BC.
This is approximately 1000 years *after* the estimated time (circa 8000 BC) when Gobekli Tepe was 'buried'.
... So it's a bit difficult to understand why Gobekli Tepe would be buried as a result of shame over sacrifices that would not occur for another millennium.
Side Note: I suggest someone reinstitute the 'slab sacrifice' for journalists who can't make a coherent narrative out of clearly-documented data. |
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rynner2 What a Cad! Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
Posted: 28-02-2009 20:57 Post subject: |
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| _TMS_ wrote: | | ....so the usual Daily Mail attempt to spin societal "shame" as a reason for abandoning the site is IMO only, total bollocks. |
Strange comment! Especially as Tom Cox is a freelance journalist
| Quote: | Tom Cox has written articles published in The Daily Mail, The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Sunday Times and Financial Times.
http://www.journalisted.com/tom-cox |
He has also writen several books.
And EnolaGaia says
| Quote: | ... So it's a bit difficult to understand why Gobekli Tepe would be buried as a result of shame over sacrifices that would not occur for another millennium.
Side Note: I suggest someone reinstitute the 'slab sacrifice' for journalists who can't make a coherent narrative out of clearly-documented data. |
The word 'shame' came in this paragraph:
| Quote: | | No one knows why Gobekli was buried. Maybe it was interred as a kind of penance: a sacrifice to the angry gods, who had cast the hunters out of paradise. Perhaps it was for shame at the violence and bloodshed that the stone-worship had helped provoke. |
But note the 'perhaps'.
Please, please, people, let's keep 21st century opinionising out of this
- I'm more interested in what we actually know about what went on all those millenia ago. |
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_TMS_ profane, harsh, unharmonious Great Old One Joined: 23 Jul 2003 Total posts: 748 Location: Kusinagara Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 01-03-2009 00:23 Post subject: |
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No, sorry ryn i didnt mean to appear to dismiss the entirety of the article with my last rather throwaway comments. It was well written enough but his Eden motifs irked me slightly. There was a much more, i felt, evocative article which talked about the particularly stylised statues as "maker gods" i will look harder for it.
EDIT: it's this Garudian piece from April 08: EDIT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/apr/23/archaeology.turkey
Nevertheless it remains arguably the most important archaeological site in the world and demands wider exposure. with all that in mind the mythical flood which seems common across many cultures, and the proof of very early, if not earliest, evidence of planned agriculture and animal husbandry at the site ties it in to all sorts of scientific / quasi scientific and downright oddball theories. Hope thats cleared things up slightly 
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ProfessorF Great Old One Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Total posts: 336 Location: Ulan Bator - inside my head looking out Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 01-03-2009 18:24 Post subject: |
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Actually, wasn't this covered in an edition of FT last year or the year before?  |
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Quake42 Warrior Princess Great Old One Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Total posts: 5310 Location: Over Silbury Hill, through the Solar field Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 01-03-2009 19:27 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Actually, wasn't this covered in an edition of FT last year or the year before? |
Yes. |
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rynner2 What a Cad! Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
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rynner2 What a Cad! Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
Posted: 01-03-2009 20:03 Post subject: |
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...and I uncover a little mystery!
The photo of the discoverer-shepherd in the Mail is very similar (but not identical) to the one that the FT article claims to be of Sean Thomas' taxi driver! Clearly, the pictures were taken on the same occassion.
They can't both be right, surely?  |
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Posted: 01-03-2009 21:56 Post subject: |
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| ProfessorF wrote: | Actually, wasn't this covered in an edition of FT last year or the year before?  |
Yep, beaten to it. It was an interesting piece and IF the age of the stone carving was correct WOW!!!! |
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H_James Ancient Cow (&) Creepy thing Joined: 18 May 2002 Total posts: 5624 |
Posted: 02-03-2009 01:22 Post subject: |
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| Maybe they're friends, and they went on a trip together. Or maybe there are organised group trips. Or a little 'creative journalism' is going on. |
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rynner2 What a Cad! Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
Posted: 13-11-2010 15:51 Post subject: |
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I've just discovered a work of fiction based on the Gobekli Tepe excavation. My library has classified it as Sci-Fi/Fantasy. It's The Genesis Secret, by Tom Knox, published in paperback by Harper, 2009.
| Quote: | Tom Knox is the pseudonym of British author Sean Thomas. Originally a journalist, his first book The Genesis Secret was published in 2008 after being advised to do so when he was writing an article on a focal point of what would become the plot - Gobekli Tepe.
His second book The Marks of Cain was released in 2010 and was an immediate hit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Knox_(Author) |
According to the notes in the book, he has worked for several British publications, including the Daily Mail, whose article formed the start of this thread - that was written by Tom Cox! I'm sure that Knox is Cox (or vice-versa), ie, Sean Thomas, as the book's author has clearly visited the site in Turkey. So to sum up, Sean Thomas wrote the piece for Fortean Times, Tom Cox wrote the Mail article, and Tom Knox wrote the book!
There is an earlier thread on G.T.
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28978
Since there's no overlap of dates they could be merged. |
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rynner2 What a Cad! Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
Posted: 13-11-2010 22:30 Post subject: |
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As I'm getting into the Genesis Mystery, I thought I'd re-read the G.T. threads here, including the original linked references.
I started this thread by saying "This is new to me.."
No it wasn't! I'd already posted something about it on the previous G.T. thread! Clearly, Alzheimers had already started to kick in...
And then there was my cut'n'paste job on the Mail article, written by Tom Cox (who I also referred to in a later post): but clicking the link now shows the writer to be Tom Knox, and the article is in fact a 'puff' for the Genesis Mystery that I 'discovered' today! Since there seems no reason why I (senile or not) should have edited Knox to Cox, it seems that the Mail must have revised its website. At least this confirms the Knox/Cox identity.
Anyhow, re-reading all this stuff clarifies my understanding of the site, especially as passages from the book are almost word for word the same as passages in the various articles (which is hardly surprising, as many of the links on here derive from the same source, namely Sean Thomas!)
But the book, being 'fiction' does have the freedom to explore other aspects of the excavation, especially the strained political situation in Anatolia between the Turks and the local Kurdish population, many of whom are labourers on the dig...
If the book turns up any more interesting insights, I'll post them here. |
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Kondoru Unfeathered Biped Joined: 05 Dec 2003 Total posts: 5788 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 14-11-2010 18:16 Post subject: |
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This is news to me.
but its fastinating |
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