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PostPosted: 16-11-2013 11:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit OT but given the mention of the SWP above I thought I'd put it here.

From FB.

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THE GOLEEN SINGERS' GATHERING IS EVERY FRIDAY. I haven't been to a singing session in a while. Why not go there, I thought to myself. Couple of pints, listen to good singing, sing one or two myself .... that'll really cheer me up. And what did I find? WHAT DID I FIND, I ask?
The Góilín gathering wasn't on because they had gone somewhere else. And the SWP's "Marxism" was there instead!!!
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PostPosted: 16-11-2013 11:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is new thing is that they're asking for facebook links so there's a huge pool of innocent people apart from those who attend legal meetings who come under police suspicion by association. Also in asking about vehicles they use and index numbers, we're talking about the police being able to turn away vehicles from getting to legal demonstrations.



The social media stuff is new but the turning away of vehicles on the basis of suspeicion etc is not as we saw during the Miners' Strike and in the heyday of early 90s rave parties etc. I'm not a fan of it but I take issue with the idea that this is some brand new development.


Trawling through facebook connections is part of the mission creep I've been going on about for years. To me, the worrying thing about this is police suspicion of individuals attending legal meetings. The key word here being suspicion and attendees being pigeonholed. Then they trawl through facebook and follow the connections. Again, they're viewing that list of names with suspicion. Our Watchers are just as prone to the psychological effects of the Surveillance State as we are and in their minds we are all suspects now.

They didn't have ANPR during the Miner's Strike and the past few years have seen a rise in the interception and prevention of legitimate protestors attending rallies which is surely wrong.

Add the fact that the police themselves have been found to have a history of instigating violent protest, fathering children with campaigners and digging for dirt to discredit innocent citizens (see the Stephen Lawrence case) and it doesn't take a genius to see where this is heading. It should not be condoned. I'm against violent protest but legitimate peaceful protest and demonstration is a right we're going to see vanish in a few years. A complacent attitude of 'it's nothing we haven't seen before' is becoming as trite as 'nothing to hide - nothing to fear' and will see the public democratic voice diluted to nothing while lobby groups sit cosily at Westminster promoting their terrible things.
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PostPosted: 23-11-2013 08:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if this belong here or if we have a better thread for 'one law' type stuff.

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Crash cop who ran a red escapes legal action

A drivers’ lobby has criticised a decision by West Yorkshire Police chiefs not to prosecute a top officer who crashed into a bus in Leeds after jumping a red light.

Assistant Chief Constable Mark Milsom – a member of the force’s command team – has admitted responsibility for the collision, which happened on New Briggate in June.

After a long internal investigation, Chief Constable Mark Gilmore confirmed a traffic offence was committed.

But he told the Yorkshire Evening Post it was not in the public interest to bring charges.

He said: “Assistant Chief Constable Milsom had accepted responsibility from the outset.

“The investigation itself found that a road traffic offence occurred and supported the view that the driver of the bus was not to blame, recommending that the normal decision making process applied to ordinary members of the public should also apply in this case.

“Following careful consideration, I decided that it was not in the public interest to prosecute.”

The incident happened on June 5 as Mr Milsom – who will take charge of policing the Yorkshire element of next year’s Tour de France – drove to work in his BMW X5. No-one was injured

West Yorkshire’s investigation was independently reviewed by South Yorkshire Police.

Mr Gilmore said Mr Milsom had been on a driver training improvement course, run by the force, following the incident.

The Alliance for British Drivers, which campaigns on driver issues, criticised the decision not to prosecute the officer.

Founder member Hugh Bladon said: “I don’t see why being a police officer allows him to escape any form of normal punishment. The only time a police officer should be able to get away with this sort of thing is when he’s on an emergency call. They should have thrown the book at him.”

However, Mark Burns-Williamson, West Yorkshire’s police and crime commissioner, said the investigation had resulted in “a proportionate response and outcome.”


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PostPosted: 23-12-2013 15:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether this is a sign of increasing state nannyism or a determined effort to suppress freedom of information, you decide:

http://bsdly.blogspot.ca/2013/12/the-uk-porn-filter-blocks-kids-access.html

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The UK "Porn" Filter Blocks Kids' Access To Tech, Civil Liberties Websites
It fell to the UK Tories to actually implement the Nanny State. Too bad Nanny Tory does not want kinds to read up on tech web sites, or civil liberties ones. Read on for a small sample of what the filter blocks, from a blocked-by-default tech writer.

Regular readers (at least those of you who also follow me on twitter) will know that I'm more than a little skeptical of censorship in general. And you may have seen, as evidenced by this tweet that I found the decision to implement a nationwide, on-by-default-but-possible-to-opt-out-of web filtering scheme in the UK to be a seriously stupid idea.


Etc... the rest of the article is at the link.
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PostPosted: 23-12-2013 18:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

This website is blocked on the under 12s opt in service, but not by default.

BBC News is blocked too on the same opt in, with some content blocked on the default setting depending on content.

The under 12s opt in seems to block everything!

Even some parts of disney.com are blocked! Laughing
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PostPosted: 23-12-2013 20:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

You see, that shows just how damned ridiculous it is. Confused
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PostPosted: 14-04-2014 21:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

This belongs here rather than in the Taser thread. The IPCC found the use of tasers justified?! I hope these guys sue the police.

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Lancashire Police cleared over strip-search Taser use
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-27019791

Police were justified in Tasering two men who refused to take off their boxer shorts while being strip-searched, the police watchdog has said. But the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) also expressed concerns about Taser use in police station cells by Lancashire Police.

The men had complained about separate incidents in the custody suite at Burnley police station in 2012.

The IPCC raised concerns about use of the stun guns in confined spaces.

A 26-year-old man complained about his treatment at Burnley police station after his arrest in July 2012 while a 20-year-old man complained about an incident at the same station, two months later in September 2012.

'Inappropriate comments'
Officers said they feared in both cases the men could become violent after refusing to take off their boxer shorts while being searched.

James Dipple-Johnstone, the IPCC Commissioner for Lancashire, said: "Although our investigations found that in both instances use of Taser could be justified, there are areas for Lancashire Constabulary to address.

"The IPCC has a number of concerns about the use of Taser, including when it is used in confined spaces like police cells, where we believe it should only be used in exceptional circumstances."

The IPCC said an inspector should face a misconduct hearing for not properly recording his decision-making rationale to authorise use of Taser, nor properly carrying out a post-incident procedure in the September case.

The IPCC also expressed concern about "inappropriate comments" made by police officers both before and after Taser had been discharged.
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PostPosted: 14-04-2014 22:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who watches the watchers? Good to see them taking the job seriously.

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Cambridgeshire police watchdog member misses year of meetings

The watchdog for the Cambridgeshire Police Commissioner has promised to take action after it was revealed one of its members had not been to a meeting for more than a year.

Raja Ali, from Peterborough, has not attended a meeting of the police and crime panel since March 2013. Panel vice-chair Jason Ablewhite criticised the non-attendance and said the panel had written to Mr Ali.

The BBC has tried to contact Mr Ali but he has yet to comment.

The panel meets about six times a year and its role is to scrutinise the work of Cambridgeshire Police and Crime Commissioner Sir Graham Bright.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-27022846
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PostPosted: 15-04-2014 08:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Officers said they feared in both cases the men could become violent after refusing to take off their boxer shorts while being searched.


How to avoid taking responsibility for your actions; blame it on something that someone else hasn't done yet.
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PostPosted: 16-04-2014 01:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Officers said they feared in both cases the men could become violent after refusing to take off their boxer shorts while being searched.


How to avoid taking responsibility for your actions; blame it on something that someone else hasn't done yet.


Indeed. So the police initiated violence (quite disproportionate violence, it would seem) to avoid a possible use of violence later. A certain hypocrisy there, perhaps.

When tasers were first introduced I recall that it was claimed they would be used as a less lethal alternative to firearms. One presume there was no requirement for firearms in these cases and so there could have been no legitimate require for the use of tasers, on that basis.

I also find myself wondering about...
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The IPCC also expressed concern about "inappropriate comments" made by police officers both before and after Taser had been discharged.

...this. I wonder what the nature of the "inappropriate comments" was and whether or not this increased the need for the use of pre-emptive violence in the minds' of the police involved.
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PostPosted: 16-04-2014 06:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

markrkingston1 wrote:

I wonder what the nature of the "inappropriate comments" was


A Dirty Harry quote?
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PostPosted: 03-05-2014 02:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

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markrkingston1 wrote:

I wonder what the nature of the "inappropriate comments" was


A Dirty Harry quote?


On the balance of probabilities, I suspect it would likely have been something of a racist nature.
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PostPosted: 04-05-2014 10:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could someone kindly remind me if we have a thread for arrest re some cr*p someone said on the internet? As it does seem to be happening a lot lately...

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Second arrest over malicious communications following Leeds teacher’s death

Police investigating allegations of malicious communications following the death of teacher Ann Maguire arrested a 42-year-old man on Saturday (May 3).

Detective Inspector Peter Corley said: “The man, who is from the Port Talbot area of Wales, and was arrested there, remains in police custody.”

The arrest came shortly after police charged a Leeds man with malicious communications following the death of Mrs Maguire.

Jake Newsome, 21, from Harehills, was bailed to appear before Leeds Magistrates Court on Wednesday, May 14.

Mrs Maguire was stabbed on April 28 at Corpus Christi Catholic College on Neville Road, Leeds.

A 15-year-old boy has been charged with Mrs Maguire’s murder.

The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is due to stand trial in November.


Yorkshire Evening Pest

The lack of clarity about what exactly was said doesn't help the situation, and without wanting to get into a defense of vile trolling of the bereaved, simply being a c**t is not a criminal offense in itself, and the ramifications of making it so are worrying.
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PostPosted: 04-05-2014 11:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what law they're breaking to get arrested for being a gobby twat?
Is it a new law, perhaps?
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PostPosted: 04-05-2014 12:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWingedBird wrote:
Could someone kindly remind me if we have a thread for arrest re some cr*p someone said on the internet? As it does seem to be happening a lot lately...

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Second arrest over malicious communications following Leeds teacher’s death

Police investigating allegations of malicious communications following the death of teacher Ann Maguire arrested a 42-year-old man on Saturday (May 3).

Detective Inspector Peter Corley said: “The man, who is from the Port Talbot area of Wales, and was arrested there, remains in police custody.”

The arrest came shortly after police charged a Leeds man with malicious communications following the death of Mrs Maguire.

Jake Newsome, 21, from Harehills, was bailed to appear before Leeds Magistrates Court on Wednesday, May 14.

Mrs Maguire was stabbed on April 28 at Corpus Christi Catholic College on Neville Road, Leeds.

A 15-year-old boy has been charged with Mrs Maguire’s murder.

The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is due to stand trial in November.


Yorkshire Evening Pest

The lack of clarity about what exactly was said doesn't help the situation, and without wanting to get into a defense of vile trolling of the bereaved, simply being a c**t is not a criminal offense in itself, and the ramifications of making it so are worrying.


People have gone to prison for saying stupid stuff online. I'm not talking about thrats or incitement.

Crazy.

The Police can't be very busy.
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