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PostPosted: 13-10-2012 09:30    Post subject: The Invention of Jesus Reply with quote

Another article on a made-up Jesus but this time we know who made him up and why Rome has always been the centre of Christian power.

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Joseph Atwill - Hour 1 - Caesar's Messiah, The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus


Joseph Atwill is an independent scholar who has set the world of New Testament scholarship in a new direction. In his book "Caesar's Messiah - The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus", Atwill outlines the series of events in Jesus' ministry that are parallels with the events of the battle campaign of Titus Flavius as recorded by Josephus Flavius in "War of the Jews". Numerous scholars had noticed the parallels between the Gospels and Josephus' work before, but Atwill is the first to notice that all the parallels take place in exact sequence and draw a revolutionary conclusion. Follow along in this program as Atwill contends these correlations, talks about linguistic typology and the reasons why the imperial Cult of Rome, with the Flavians at the center, wanted to invent the story of Jesus Christ for their own benefit.


listen here..

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/02/RIR-120218.php


We're going to be hearing a lot more about this I reckon.
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PostPosted: 13-10-2012 13:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mobs will riot in the streets.
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PostPosted: 13-10-2012 15:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramonmercado wrote:
Mobs will riot in the streets.


If that happened, they'd 'fire Atwill'.
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PostPosted: 13-10-2012 16:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mythopoeika wrote:
ramonmercado wrote:
Mobs will riot in the streets.


If that happened, they'd 'fire Atwill'.
Wink


Very Happy Why don't we have a like button for comments?
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PostPosted: 13-10-2012 16:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awww, thanks Ramon. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19-10-2012 23:30    Post subject: Re: The Invention of Jesus Reply with quote

jimv1 wrote:



We're going to be hearing a lot more about this I reckon.


I finally found the time to listen to it. I don't think we will hear any more about this as it is circumstantial evidence that you can believe in or not - a lot like the bible really. Mind you - as a master plan, maybe the US should have tried something like this in the Middle East? Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 28-08-2014 00:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

A summing up of five pieces of evidence that point to a Jesus created out of myth.

5 Reasons to Suspect Jesus Never Existed
A growing number of scholars are openly questioning or actively arguing against whether Jesus lived.


Can't say that I'm totally convinced. Some of the actions, parables and quotations attributed to Jesus are just too deeply Talmudically learned, clever, subversive and insightfully humane, not to have a very learned, clever, subversive and humane originator.
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PostPosted: 28-08-2014 14:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

That could be any learned, clever, subversive and humane originator though, doesn't even have to have been any one person.
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PostPosted: 28-08-2014 15:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still reckon I would have shouted for Barabbas.

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PostPosted: 28-08-2014 16:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were scores of self-proclaimed Messiahs around at the time. You really couldn't walk down the street without falling over one, as was hinted at in The Life Of Brian. (In which fillum Jesus Christ himself appears of course, in the far distance.)

So yet another one being wheeled out for the crowd and flogged on his way to Golgotha wouldn't have seemed out of the ordinary, and the odd Barabbas might well have got off with a slap on the wrist.

Reminds me of the rumours about whether or not Shakespeare wrote all the plays. Did he? Did Francis Bacon? Was it a learned consortium? Who knows? Laughing
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PostPosted: 28-08-2014 21:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

escargot1 wrote:
There were scores of self-proclaimed Messiahs around at the time.


There are scores around now! There's even something called a "Messiah Complex". People go to Jerusalem and try to convince others they're the Second Coming of Christ.
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PostPosted: 28-08-2014 23:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point is that Jesus HAD to exist. He had to exist in order to create a religion based on a messiah - a real person had to exist. So a real person was made up based on various messianic tittle-tattle going around at the time.
And He had to perform the miracles expected of a messiah of the time - which were a bunch of stories everyone knew at the time and can be traced back to the Gods of Egyptology.

The religion was back engineered from a fundamental need for power and control.
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PostPosted: 29-08-2014 00:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimv1 wrote:


The religion was back engineered from a fundamental need for power and control.


Engineered, perhaps. Some people wanted power and control, but they would not have succeeded if the real need--across the greater number of people--was for an ethical system that worked.

What Judism and Christianity demand is that the needs of the whole society be taken into account, not just the needs of the people at the top. Judism is about a specific people, but it is about every person within that group, rich or poor. Christianity expanded that demand to cover everyone else, not just our blood relations or tribal members or citizens, but everyone.

As humans, we're not good at doing this. Christianity got subverted into putting emphasis on atonement which is simply a way to sidestep any inconvenience we might feel in taking care of each other.

In the same way, these various researchers who, with some regularity, prove that Jesus didn't exist, are adding to a pile of excuses people can use to explain terrible behavior.

It's not news. And it doesn't help.
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