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Ramtha and the physical changes during channeling

 
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PostPosted: 27-05-2004 19:46    Post subject: Ramtha and the physical changes during channeling Reply with quote

I always enjoyed the piss take in Doonesbury and seeing a short piece on JZ Knight and the channelled 'being' Ramtha the other night (which I'd seen before) I was struck by the 'tests' that had been done which appeared to show appreciable physiiological differences when she was channelling Ramtha and the psychiatrists reckoned she wasn't actually mad. Now I never got the feeling she was crazy (she seemed far to shrewd and calculating a business woman for that) and the changes didn't seem 'extreme' but I was wondeirng if anyone had any follow up information on this.

Some links:

http://skepdic.com/channel.html

http://newtimes.org/issue/9705/97-05-jz.html

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/r09.html

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PostPosted: 22-07-2014 07:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ten years later, sounds like the physical changes may include chronic alcoholism.

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http://www.alternet.org/belief/ramtha-new-age-cult-leader-unleashes-drunken-racist-homophobic-rants-large-following]

Ramtha, New Age Cult Leader, Unleashes Drunken, Racist, Homophobic Rants to Large Following

She "channels" a 35,000-year-old Lemurian warrior.

Alternet. Southern Poverty Law Center, By Susy Buchanan 9. July. 2014


YELM, Wash. — It’s March 2011 at the Ramtha School of Enlightenment (RSE) in this rapidly growing town just outside of Olympia. Hundreds of truth seekers pack into a converted horse arena to hear a 35,000-year-old Lemurian warrior speak the wisdom of the ages. The crowd is yearning for super-consciousness and enlightenment; what they get is drunken ramblings peppered with curse words. There’s no Kool-Aid served, just red wine, bottles and bottles of it. Wine ceremonies, which have been going on at RSE since 1996, are significant because students believe wine grapes were brought to Earth by extraterrestrials 450,000 years ago.

The blonde on stage is J.Z. (for Judith Zebra) Knight, a 65-year-old former rodeo queen and cable TV saleswoman. The words coming from her mouth aren’t hers, the assembled crowd believes, but rather those of the ethereal being she channels, Ramtha the Enlightened One. Knight goes back and forth between herself and the supposedly channeled Ramtha.

During the 16 or so hours the students spend in a spiritual drinking game (students must drink every time Ramtha/Knight does), Knight will disparage Catholics, gay people, Mexicans, organic farmers, and Jews.

“Fuck God’s chosen people! I think they have earned enough cash to have paid their way out of the goddamned gas chambers by now,” she says as members of the audience snicker. There are also titters when she declares Mexicans “breed like rabbits” and are “poison,” that all gay men were once Catholic priests, and that organic farmers have questionable hygiene.

These are not the kind of cosmic revelations that have drawn students to Knight for 38 years. For the most part, RSE students are thoughtful and well-educated, not apt to embrace a bigoted guru. For decades, the message had been more about finding the god within than disparaging minorities, and the blend of science and New Age Gnosticism made J.Z. Knight millions well before the drunken homophobic, anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic racist rants began to make their way into her preachings.

What happened at RSE would have stayed at RSE had it not been for the Internet. In 2012, livestreamed videos of Ramtha’s hate speech were posted to the Web, first by ex-students Virginia Coverdale and David McCarthy, then by a libertarian-leaning think tank called the Freedom Foundation that is based in Olympia. The excerpts from that wine ceremony left Thurston County residents shocked and wondering if there was a more sinister side to their kooky neighborhood cult.

Was there a hate group lurking in “The Pride of the Prairie,” as Yelm calls itself? Knight blamed Coverdale, who had slept with Knight’s boyfriend, as a spurned lover, and the libertarian-leaning think tank, the Freedom Foundation, as politically motivated.

But the scandal caused by the videos embarrassed Democratic candidates who had taken a total of $70,000 in campaign donations from Knight. “I am appalled by Ms. Knight’s outrageous anti-Mexican, anti-Catholic raging,” said Thurston County (Wash.) Commissioner Sandra Romero. “These vile, racist, and divisive comments against responsible and caring people have no place in Thurston County, or anywhere else.” Romero ended up giving Knight’s donation to nonprofits benefitting Latinos.

Through it all, Knight has ignored requests for a retraction and maintained that the videos were maliciously edited and taken out of context.

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PostPosted: 22-07-2014 12:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nasty. Even I like organic farmers.
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PostPosted: 22-07-2014 12:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nasty. Even I like organic farmers


Depends what organs they're farming Razz
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PostPosted: 22-07-2014 13:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nasty. Even I like organic farmers


Depends what organs they're farming Razz


Kidney beans?
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PostPosted: 22-07-2014 13:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kidney beans?


Don't have the heart to respond to that..................but i might just know a Farmer who does..............
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