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PostPosted: 27-08-2001 11:04    Post subject: Someone-or-other Brown: Mind control 2 Reply with quote

Did anyone else see that program on Channel 4 the other day? It was, and I quote "Really Freaky!". The bit in the Mental asylum. That was pretty weird. And the thing with his version of the One Inch Punch (which in itself was impressive)! I sooo want to know how he did that...

Anyway. Did any of y'all see it? Or are you wondering wht the heck I'm on about?


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PostPosted: 27-08-2001 11:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was that the one with the ginger haired psychologist chap with the goatee?

In my defense I had just got back from the pub so I'm probably thinking about something completely different arent I? Very Happy

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PostPosted: 27-08-2001 13:26    Post subject: Re: Someone-or-other Brown: Mind control 2 Reply with quote

Aben Zin wrote:

And the thing with his version of the One Inch Punch (which in itself was impressive)! I sooo want to know how he did that...

Anyway. Did any of y'all see it? Or are you wondering wht the heck I'm on about?


Az


I know the guy you mean - I saw a program where he was predicting people's guesses and doing some mind-reading tricks. I know what the one-inch punch is, but what was his version? Tell us what he did...!
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PostPosted: 27-08-2001 19:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

What he did was put his spread hand on the stomach of his volenteer, say "can you feel this?", Pull his hand back 2' or so, say "Can you still feel this?" ("Yes"), then he clenched his fist and made a small punch, still over a foot away from the volenteer. The guy doubled up! He had to tell him to straighted up, and said it was all in th mind.
Then he did it again, but first bringing his hand round behind the volenteer, so he couldn't see him. Then he punched again, and again the guy doubled up.
After he did this you could see the martial arts expert (who just demonstrated the one inch punch), and he looked really amazed!

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PostPosted: 27-08-2001 20:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pity I missed that. Sounds interesting. Along the same lines, I did see something on Ripley's a while ago where a martial arts master demonstrated the Dim Mak (have I spelled this right?) death touch. Basically he knocked out four people and brought them back around in under a minute. But, the weird thing about it is how he did it. For one of the guys all he did was take hold of his forearm - and he collapsed unconcious. All the guys had electrodes, etc. attached to them and teams of medics monitoring their bodily readings, so none of it was faked. One of the medics afterwards said the whole thing made him very uneasy.
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PostPosted: 27-08-2001 22:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.channel4.com/mindcontrol
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PostPosted: 01-09-2001 14:30    Post subject: THE DEATH TOUCH Reply with quote

I practice kung-fu and have done other martial arts over the years, and have been fortunate to see many examples of what ordinarily most people would find odd.

The easiest way to understand all of this would be to go and read up on it or attend a respectable martial arts class.

Basically we all have an energy flowing around our bodies, this energy is known as CHI - in China, Ki in Japan, and so the list goes on, they are all talking about the same thing though.

Chi flows around your body through what are known as the meridians, these meridians aren't however visible and would not be found if you were to disect a human.

There are certain points throughout the body that if pressed/manipulated in the correct way, can bring about various changes, either good or bad.

Acupunture for example is one way of doing this, but a trained practitioner could just use his/her hands.

Trained practitioners can at advanced level also affect the bodies energy flow by supposedly just thinking about it/the person they want to affect.

This is not bull, merely something which is very slowly being understood by Western medicine.

Then again I also beleive that this type of information is not for all and should therefore to an extent be shrouded in secrecy.
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PostPosted: 01-09-2001 15:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

It must be pointed out the he never touched the guy, and it actually was all in his mind. It was pretty impressive to watch...

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PostPosted: 01-09-2001 15:08    Post subject: Re: THE DEATH TOUCH Reply with quote

DONKAMELEON wrote:


Then again I also beleive that this type of information is not for all and should therefore to an extent be shrouded in secrecy.


I though the concept was that this knowledge should be available to all and it's the requirement for control and discipline in the person who puts it into effect that prevents its misuse, not the restriction of the information in the first place. In effect, if a person doesn't have the maturity to use these abilities wisely in the first place then that's OK because that person is incapable of learning them.

As an aside, the other day I was reading an account of this guy (excuse my memory - it's crap!) who went to Nepal in the 60's. He was walking down a narrow street with a monk who was rumoured to have amazing powers, including the ability to kill with a single glance. Anyhow, as they walked, some goofy local lost control of his rickshaw and it went out of control and rolled towards the two men; the Western guy threw himself out of the way but the monk just stood there and the rickshaw hit him full on. According to the account, the rickshaw was smashed to pieces and the monk just continued walking without even looking round.
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PostPosted: 02-09-2001 16:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Derren Brown program was really quite disturbing - I thought the sections where he appeared to get people travelling on the tube to completly blank out about what stop they were getting off at was particularly scary.

Assuming that it wasn't all totally faked, I couldn't really see an explanation for this. I suppose it could be argued that, as in a lot of 'hypnosis' routines, the 'victim' tends to play along for the audience (or in this case the cameras), but the effect seemed a bit subtle for that.

Most of me is quite sure that there IS an explanation other than that Brown is a red-hot psychic, but he's so good that he does leave a core of doubt even in this skeptical viewer.

Interestingly, he denies using hypnosis, but talks about, 'a heightend state of synchronicity' - whatever THAT means!

If you haven't seen the prog, I would urge you to try, its more impressive than most 'street magic' TV>
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PostPosted: 02-09-2001 16:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

wintermute wrote:

The Derren Brown program was really quite disturbing - I thought the sections where he appeared to get people travelling on the tube to completly blank out about what stop they were getting off at was particularly scary.


Did you notice the way he waved his hands in front of thier eyes as he was talking to them? I reckon that the hand waving was to focus the mind on something else; so they're listening to him talking, but are distracted by the hand waving, and his words were entering at a deeper subconcious level.
But wasn't it just so tight that he made one guy miss his stop...?

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PostPosted: 03-09-2001 11:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I saw the show. My mom and dad were pretty amazed as was I. I have to learn how to do that, but quicker, like instantaniously. Just like clicking my finger, That quick...Spiny

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PostPosted: 03-09-2001 12:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think i saw this ages ago. If it was the one where he used his "powers" to chat up supermodels? Hats off to the man. I was impressed by the stunt where he had a person stand in the dark being illuminated only by a light that was behind himand the subject. Then he told them to imagine a wall with all sorts of monsters behind it. Then he took a brick away and the person kakked themselves. very impressive but not paranormal.
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PostPosted: 03-09-2001 13:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think i saw this ages ago. If it was the one where he used his "powers" to chat up supermodels? Hats off to the man. I was impressed by the stunt where he had a person stand in the dark being illuminated only by a light that was behind himand the subject. Then he told them to imagine a wall with all sorts of monsters behind it. Then he took a brick away and the person kakked themselves. very impressive but not paranormal.
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PostPosted: 06-09-2001 18:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, but it has everything to do with the paranormal. Alright, something.
Showing that you can "read someone's mind" without any form of paranormal phenomenom (ie. telepathy) is an pretty strong arguement against that kind of thing (though it's not water-tight). His demonstrations of pain resistance act as evidence against people who can walk over hot coals having devine protection. Even the example you stated could be used to help explain away ghosts...

I'm not saying it does you understand, but it could.

Thoughts?

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