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PostPosted: 30-10-2012 13:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway, I don't see the fact that there were cameras around is a convincing argument. There are CCTV cameras around us all the time. Just walk down any high street and there are cameras. As far as I'm aware ambulances have cameras in them as standard, as do police cars. With all that was going on I'm not surprised he didn't notice them.

True, but one of the cameras in the ambulance wasn't a CCTV type camera (I don't know about the ones in his house) - it was sticking out of a cupboard (you can see it clearly in the clip that's on the GMAM page I linked to) so surely he must have seen it at some point. As the original commenter says, it's all about whether he knew (even subconsciously) that it wasn't real and was therefore just going along with it. After all, people do a lot of things to get on TV, and if he'd given the game away it wouldn't have been shown... Wink


I wonder though if his acceptance of the situation and failure to notice the cameras was part of the hypnosis that Derren had performed on him. Also, if we were in that kind of situation, would we think logically? Would we notice things like that?

I have been in a similar, but different, situation. I was in central Manchester when it was bombed in the mid 90s. I was close enough to the blast for it to blow me off my feet. I was not nearly as together or rational as I thought I might be in a situation like that where everything changes. The friend I was with had been at the Hillsborough disaster and was far more together than I was. He thought logically and calmly in a manner I know I couldn't do at the time, butI think I could do now. He later said that his past experience of an emergency situation helped him to cope then.

What I don't understand was why he didn't look for his clothes, wallet, phone etc. That said there was a lot of footage recorded that wasn't shown.
I find it odd that it can no longer be found on Channel 4 On Demand.
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PostPosted: 30-10-2012 14:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I find it odd that it can no longer be found on Channel 4 On Demand.


Perhaps the government has pulled it as it is too close to the truth! Shocked
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PostPosted: 30-10-2012 18:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't read too much into the lack of On Demand showing, I had to wait three weeks for an episode of Angelos Epithemiou which I'd missed.
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PostPosted: 30-10-2012 18:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was there yesterday though.
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PostPosted: 30-10-2012 18:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do find On Demand tends to have tech problems on the odd occasion I use it, so it might be no more sinister than that.
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PostPosted: 31-10-2012 10:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always find it odd when the debate about Derren Brown faking it rucks up especially as he has already told you what he does is fake and nothing more then manipulating the human condition.

Lost Phone in House : I imagine there is a good hours worth of footage of him tearing the place upside down trying to find it but ultimately he was reassured by his brother it was there and no doubt had to go to work at some point so why waste the 45 minutes of air time you have with an overlong phone search?

The psychological feats he performs only work on a certain mind, I don't want to say simple but perhaps a mind that doesn't question is more fitting. For example the bit he did on Simon Pegg and convinced him all he wanted for Christmas was a Red BMX bike and not a leather jacket. Through out the scene I picked up on the constant "touches" when bike related words were said however the girlfriend didn't.
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PostPosted: 31-10-2012 10:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just thought of something - do you reckon DB checks out this forum?

We know he is interested in Fortean subjects and no doubt if he were here he would read a thread about himself. I've been wondering about this for a while regarding "celebrities" in general.

By law of averages, we must have some famous people here, never giving away their true identity.

If you are here DB, please PM me because I would really like to ask you something totally unrelated to Apocolypse and I promise that your FTMB identity secret is safe with me.
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PostPosted: 31-10-2012 11:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble is Ringo, anyone of us could pm you claiming to be him. Wink
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PostPosted: 31-10-2012 11:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trouble is Ringo, anyone of us could pm you claiming to be him. Wink


You'd have to answer my security question first. Wink
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PostPosted: 31-10-2012 12:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just thought of something - do you reckon DB checks out this forum?

We know he is interested in Fortean subjects and no doubt if he were here he would read a thread about himself. I've been wondering about this for a while regarding "celebrities" in general.

By law of averages, we must have some famous people here, never giving away their true identity.

If you are here DB, please PM me because I would really like to ask you something totally unrelated to Apocolypse and I promise that your FTMB identity secret is safe with me.


Going back to the late 90s, in the early days of internet forums, I had a friend who was an actor and son of a middling famous actor and was friends with Peter Davidson. We were talking one night about the new phenomenon that was internet forums. He said that Davidson was a frequent poster on a one of the Doctor Who forums under a nom-de-plume. He never let on who he was, he just liked being included in a dialogue about Doctor Who like a normal person.

Edit: yes, I know it's the classic FOAF tale. But I know he was a friend with Davidson.
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PostPosted: 02-11-2012 22:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw, that was quite nice, really. Had to laugh at the Danny guy blurting "I don't have a heart!" Maybe Stephen was gullible, but I believed his reactions. Bit disappointed the gore warned about by the continuity announcer was non-existent, but otherwise, heartwarming rather than flesheating zombie stuff.

Next week, people without fear.
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PostPosted: 03-11-2012 21:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed the second part more than the first. If this is totally genuine, and I'm leaning that way, then it really was quite an astonishing piece of TV history.

And it was fun to play "Find the Wizard of Oz" references. Here's what I found:

Kansas Autos
Follow the Yellow road
Courage, Heart, Brain (obviously)
Military HQ was called Emerald
Their call sign was OZ
The helicopter had a Hot Air balloon on it
LEOna - is that too contrived?

Anyone else find anything more?
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PostPosted: 04-11-2012 10:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did some digging around and found a further clue. Leona is carrying a toy Lion in one scene. Other people have noticed these too and one guy on DerrenBrownExposed.net has shown all the clues here: http://derrenbrownexposed.net/2012/10/27/derren-brown-apocalypse-wizard-of-oz/

Also, this guy shows a supposed tweet from Steve which alludes to the Wizard of Oz. He tweeted this during the secret filming but before the actual "apocalypse" event. Here's the link: http://derrenbrownexposed.net/2012/10/30/steve-brosnan-leaked-derren-brown-apocalypse-on-twitter/

At that point, he hadn't been exposed to any OZ stuff. Very coincidental.
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One thing that I want to know is when did this take place?

The reason I ask is because in the piece that Derren put on youtube he introduced Steve as now working as a teacher.

Now, to train as a teacher takes one year assuming you already have a degree. However there are only particular times in the year that you can start and apply for training, You need to apply at Xmas to start training the following September. Derren clearly says that he is now working as a teacher, not training to be a teacher. So if we assume the filming took place in the summer, Steve then applied for training in the December and started training the following September, so that is a full year before he even starts training. Then a year of training before he starts working, so two years in total. Did they really film this two years ago?
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PostPosted: 04-11-2012 15:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

liveinabin1 wrote:
One thing that I want to know is when did this take place?

The reason I ask is because in the piece that Derren put on youtube he introduced Steve as now working as a teacher.

Now, to train as a teacher takes one year assuming you already have a degree. However there are only particular times in the year that you can start and apply for training, You need to apply at Xmas to start training the following September. Derren clearly says that he is now working as a teacher, not training to be a teacher. So if we assume the filming took place in the summer, Steve then applied for training in the December and started training the following September, so that is a full year before he even starts training. Then a year of training before he starts working, so two years in total. Did they really film this two years ago?


That is quite possible. TV companies often work on projects well ahead of when they expect to 'put it to the market'.
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