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PostPosted: 04-06-2008 20:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But their website lists 4 different times starting Sunday!


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PostPosted: 18-06-2008 19:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

The TV guide proved to have it right, and according to them, the next showing on Sci-Fi UK is Saturday 22nd June at 9:50pm.

A few days later Channel 5 get in on the act:

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Revealed (Documentary)
Time - 20:00 - 21:00
When - Tuesday 24th June on five

Legend of The Crystal Skulls.
Historical documentary investigating the origins of the world-famous crystal skulls. Since the 19th century, a number of lifelike quartz skulls have been discovered and displayed in museums. These relics, allegedly dating from Aztec and Mayan civilisations, are believed to have psychic powers. But are they geniune artefacts or elaborate fakes? Now, for the first time ever, scientists are given access to the most famous skull of all, the so-called 'Skull of Doom'.
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PostPosted: 09-07-2008 03:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

More proof of skullduggery ...sorry

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How about this for the next instalment of the Indy franchise: "Indiana Jones and the Dodgy Antiques Dealer"?

Less than three months after the Quai Branly Museum in Paris discovered that a crystal skull once proclaimed as a mystical Aztec masterpiece was a fake, it is now the turn of the British Museum and the Smithsonian Institution to find they were victims of skull-duggery.

Scientists from those two prestigious institutions on Wednesday said their crystal skulls were cut, honed and polished by tools of the industrial age, not by Mesoamerican craftsmen of yore.

"The skulls under consideration are not pre-Columbian. They must surely be regarded as of relatively modern manufacture," they say.

"Each skull was probably worked not more than a decade before it was first offered for sale."

The skulls became star exhibits in all three museums long before the Indiana Jones movie, "The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," hit the movie screens this year.

The superstitious deemed them part of a collection of 12 skulls, endowed with healing or mystical powers, that dated back to the ancient culture of Central America.

Reuniting all 12 skulls, together with a putative 13th, would conjure up a massive power that would prevent the Earth from tipping over on December 21 2012, the "doomsday" in the Mayan calendar, according to one fable.

Legend-lovers had a bad day on April 18 when the Quai Branly said it had found grooves and perforations in its 11-centimetre (4.4-inch) -high quartz skull revealing the use of "jewellery burrs and other modern tools."

Doubts had also surfaced about the skulls in London and Washington, with art experts noting they were unusually large and with teeth markings that were exceptionally linear.

Seeking the verdict of science, researchers from those two museums examined the skulls with electron microscopes, looking at tiny scratches and marks left by the carving implements.

These were then compared with the surfaces of a crystal goblet, rock crystal beads and dozens of greenstone jewels known to be of genuine Aztec or Mixtec origin.

The study appears in the Journal of Archaeological Science, published by the Elsevier group.

The skull in the British Museum, purchased in 1897, is made of transparent rock crystal and is 15 centimetres (six inches) high. The Smithsonian skull, acquired by the museum in 1992, is of white quartz and measures 25.5 cms (10 inches) in height.

The investigators found that rotary wheels gave the British skull its sharp definition, a drill had dug out the nostrils and eyes, and diamond or corondum had been applied with iron or steel tools to smooth its upper surfaces.

As for the US skull, "faint traces" of tool marks remain, but these too are consistent with rotary wheels or grinding pads, the authors say.

No evidence has ever been found that rotary wheels were used to cut stones in Central America before the arrival of Europeans.

The investigators also found a black-and-red deposit in a tiny cavity of the Smithsonian skull. X-ray diffraction showed it to be silicon carbide -- a tough compound that only exists naturally in meteorites but is widespread in modern industrial abrasives.

Tiny irregularities in the quartz suggest the mineral for the London skull came from the European Alps, Brazil or Madagascar, while the quartz for the Washington skull had "many potential sources," including Mexico and the United States.

The sleuths pored over the archives of both museums, the Museum of Mankind in Paris, the French National Library, the Hispanic Society of America and newspaper records in a bid to find where the skulls came from.

The only documentation existing for the Smithsonian skull indicates it had been purchased in Mexico City in 1960. The scientists believe the skull was "probably manufactured shortly before it was purchased" there.

As for the British Museum and Quai Branly skulls, the paper trail leads to a French antiques collector by the name of Eugene Boban Duverge.

Boban had a shop in Mexico City and parlayed his way to the salons of Paris thanks to the 1863-67 "French Intervention," when troops of France's Second Empire invaded Mexico.

He built up a collection of 2,000 pre-Columbian artefacts, the biggest in Europe at the time. It included several crystal skulls, including the newly-unmasked fakes in London and Paris.

The skull that would eventually be bought by the British Museum was acquired by Boban between 1878 and 1881, possibly in Europe, the study says. In 1885, he tried to sell it to the National Museum of Mexico, but was turned down.

A year later, Boban sold it an auction to the New York jeweller's Tiffany's.

Two years later, Tiffany's sold the skull to a Californian businessman who nearly a decade later went bust and asked the jeweller to hunt for a new buyer.

So it was that Tiffany's vice president, George Kunz, made a pitch to the British Museum.

He recommended the purchase of "this remarkable object," sketched a past of colourful ownership, beginning with a Spanish soldier who had brought it back from Mexico, and quoting the opinion of others that the skull was of ancient Mexican origin but no-one knew for sure.

The rest, as they say, belongs to history... and human gullibility.


http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/entertainment/4776111/art-deception-crystal-skulls-british-museums-fakes
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PostPosted: 09-07-2008 08:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="bobok_"]More proof of skullduggery ...sorry
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How about this for the next instalment of the Indy franchise: "Indiana Jones and the Dodgy Antiques Dealer"?
Less than three months after the Quai Branly Museum in Paris discovered that a crystal skull once proclaimed as a mystical Aztec masterpiece was a fake, it is now the turn of the British Museum and the Smithsonian Institution to find they were victims of skull-duggery.
Scientists from those two prestigious institutions on Wednesday said their crystal skulls were cut, honed and polished by tools of the industrial age, not by Mesoamerican craftsmen of yore.


All as featured in FT 238 and all as know about for quite ages - the BM skull was shown to be of modern origin at least as early as 1980 and acknowledged as such from then on. Must be a slow news day in Australia!

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PostPosted: 09-07-2008 08:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

gordonrutter wrote:
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All as featured in FT 238 and all as know about for quite ages - the BM skull was shown to be of modern origin at least as early as 1980 and acknowledged as such from then on. Must be a slow news day in Australia!

Gordon

Another excellent example of a story that's so good, it keeps doing the rounds, no matter how many times it's disproved. Every generation has a new spin on it and it's too good not to be true. Smile
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PostPosted: 27-08-2008 03:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mitchell-Hedges skull comes to southeast Queensland

"Known as the Mitchell-Hedges skull, it has fascinated people for decades, possibly millennia, and attracts interest from all, including hardened sceptics and those who believe it has mystical or even extraterrestrial power.

It is said to have wept tears at the assassination of US president John F. Kennedy.

The life-size skull is made from a block of crystal quartz and is perhaps best remembered from the opening sequence of the television series, Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World, recently re-released on DVD.

Based in the US, the crystal skull is now coming to the Sunshine Coast to a conference in October being staged by the Mapleton-based Nexus Magazine, a publication that focuses on strange and mysterious phenomena."

"The crystal skull will arrive in October with its first public viewing at the Nexus Conference, Novotel Twin Waters Resort, from October 4 to 6.

Further public viewings are planned for Pomona, Maleny, Kawana, Caboolture and the Jindalee Hotel and Functions Centre, Brisbane, before the skull is taken to NSW.

Private viewings are possible with bookings already made, including a group of 14 from Byron Bay."


http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24245657-3102,00.html
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PostPosted: 27-08-2008 16:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

And for those wanting to see it in the UK it is on display in Edinburgh as part of the Histories Mysteries conference which is on the 22nd and 23rd of November - there are opportunities to spend quality time with the skull as well as just see it

http://www.histories-mysteries.com/

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PostPosted: 04-09-2008 17:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

My camera also worked fine in taking pictures of the B-M skull -even my mobile took a good picture. I was quite surprised that the British museum just had it stashed in a corner, particularly after all the publicity after the Indiana Jones film. Ok, the statue from Easter Island just in front of it was way cooler, but even so!
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PostPosted: 19-11-2008 12:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'original' crystal skull is on Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World now*, with its owner and gemmologist Allan Jobbins apparently disagreeing about its provenance. It'll no doubt be repeated ad nauseam over the next week or so. Very Happy

*201, the Paranormal channel.
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PostPosted: 19-11-2008 16:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternatively the Mitchell Hedges Skull is in Edinburgh this weekend - tickets still available!

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PostPosted: 19-11-2008 17:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aha, yup, the one on the telly today was the Mitchell Hedges Skull, escorted by Miss Mitchell Hedges herself. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19-06-2009 15:07    Post subject: By the Power of Crystal Skulls Reply with quote

My wife and I were watching a History Channel documentary on the Crystal Skulls that have been found all over the world.

How they all have magnetic and psychic properties. So they say there's 13 legitimate skulls found around the world and some still undiscovered, and they were speaking about the Mayan calendar and whether their significant to the 2012 doom day prophecies.

So my wife says to me, thats it! Those 13 skulls are all of Jesus' apostles, if you consider Judas an apostle. She said that maybe Jesus really was an alien who will come wage war on earth, to take back the 13 skulls of his apostles. Those that are holding the skulls must be the Jehovah's Witness, and this is why they only have that specific # of people only being taken to heaven with Jesus.

Hah I found it cute and funny but no means plausible Very Happy

Figured I'd share it with everyone though as their is quite a big mystery surrounding these skulls, I found it very interesting they were taking pictures with a camera into the skull and were getting interesting pictures back showing symbols and pictures and images of old, however this may just be a mind trick of you seeing what you only want to see and not the fact that the picture you see is probably a reflection of the background being absorbed by the crystal
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Ive seen one program where one woman was given a skull by her adventurer/ maveric arcaologist father.
Where the woman claims that they have psycic powers and where made thousands of years ago can only be made by aliens and then the museum says well actualy it was made using dentists drills in about 1930.

It was a pretty funny program, the bit where her son then starts saying it must have been aliens armed with dentists drills, time travelling aliens in fact.

Sometimes the things that delusional people wish to believe in order to prop up their distorted world views get beyond being funny and move into the ludicrous.
There are I think 12 skulls which are not proven to be fake, nobody knows when the 'real' ones where made but sadly they have fallen into the hands of people who like to make ludicrous claims about them based as usual on a total of zero evidence and a very active imagination.
People who used to be called charlatans in fact.

By the way, the skull which was shown to be a fake was the one which the 'psycics' had been shouting into and using their psycic skills had been in communication with the planet zingo.
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PostPosted: 19-06-2009 15:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad Archaeology have recently updated their article on the crystal skulls.

Judas was one of the original line up of the 12 apostles, some other guy got the job later, dead man's boots.
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PostPosted: 19-06-2009 17:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure about the conspiratorial nature of Crystal Skulls. I'd file them under 'Hoax' or more generically under earth mysteries....where you'll find an ongoing thread.

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=394&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In order to go along with the theory laid out by the OP, you have to believe that Jesus existed in the first place and I'm not convinced at all on that one.
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