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Fats_Tuesday Great Old One Joined: 05 Sep 2001 Total posts: 518 Location: London Age: 43 Gender: Male |
Posted: 11-11-2009 19:07 Post subject: |
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| It was very weird - one of the joys of a psychogeographical derive is the fact when you find cool stuff, it's totally unexpected and you find yourself building your own personal links between different encountered elements; e.g. in my head, the Guildhall will always be a London extension of Hogwarts. |
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rasputin Yeti Joined: 06 May 2009 Total posts: 78 Gender: Unknown |
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CodenameThrow Oblongate carnival Great Old One Joined: 24 Apr 2004 Total posts: 1676 Location: Brussels Age: 35 Gender: Male |
Posted: 23-11-2009 09:55 Post subject: |
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I spent a couple of years living in East London, for my sins (as close in as Bethnal Green and as far out as Walthamstow) and it IS a strange place, although the twin factors of urban decay and hipsterness rub uncomfortably against each other a bit too much and take the edge off any real psychogeographical air, IMO. Shame, really. Anyway, one of the more interesting things to do is walk the length of the road that goes from Aldgate East to, well, Romford or something - not the whole way, obviously. You can stroll down from Hackney to Whitechapel (maybe taking in Spitalfields, although the air has been sucked out of that place), turn left up the road towards Mile End - and then walk to Stratford. This takes in all sorts of really interesting sights - you go past some interesting and historical pubs (The Blind Beggar, The Grave Maurice), some interesting squares and gardens (the area around Mile End and Queen Mary's, with the landscaped nature garden and the lovely housing squares), some interesting developments, (that arts trust up in Bow, near the church) and end up at the Olypmic developments. Doing this you get a real sense for the way that one road can connect a lot of parts of the city: the area by Bow Church in particular makes you feel as if you're stuck in between two very distinct zones, the really noisy and busy parts of Whitechapel, Mile End, Stepney Green and the developing sections of Stratford and Newham. It's also really interesting to see how they're adapting the waterways (the Bow canals, Fish Island and so on) for the Games.
Little pockets of Hackney are good to explore - like the village near Victoria Park, which is now quite swanky, and the park itself - with the pavilion and lurking pubs. There's also a completely barmy pub in a park next to Grove Road (just about where it joins with the Roman Road) which isn't weird in itself, it just sticks out of the landscape like a rotten tooth. It's always full of interesting characters with a couple of stories to tell too, and it's called the Palm Tree. It's fitting that pubs shape a lot of the landscape of this part of London, I reckon, given that they play such a huge part in the community and have done for centuries.
The liberal scattering of tabernacles, Orthodox churches, candle factories, playhouses, steam baths, music halls, crime scenes, listed public toilets and mosques also gives the area a very unusual and fascinating character.
There's a pub on Bow Road called the Bow Bells (I think) which has a sign above the gents reading "Beware of the ghost" but I never found out what that was about.
And on yet another pub theme, try The Ten Bells down near Brick Lane, if you haven't already: a couple of Jack The Ripper's victims used to drink in there. In fact, if you feel like exploring Whitechapel and Aldgate a bit more, have a read of Donald Rumbelow's Jack The Ripper book, and Slow Chocolate Autopsy by Ian Sinclair. Hawksmoor by Peter Ackroyd also fictionalises the supposedly Satanic influence on a lot of the area's churches. |
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James_H2 Great Old One Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Total posts: 709 Location: Hackney! Gender: Male |
Posted: 29-11-2009 16:14 Post subject: |
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Thanks, throw
There's a lot of interesting replies here; here's another thing to throw in - has anyone read Rodinsky's Room by Rachel Lichstenstein (with a few bits by Iain Sinclair)? It's a very interesting investigation into an old 'Disappeared' guy, whose 1960s room was found intact in the the 1980s above a synagogue off Brick Lane.
It's a bit of an odd book, but touches on many fascinating things - the eastern European Jewish history of the area, fast disappearing as the book was being written, the mystery of the disappearance itself (not so much a mystery, in the end - just a very lonely and forgotten man being sectioned and no one really noticing), the personal, sometimes rather occult 'quest' of the author to get to the bottom of her own identity through an outside medium (with the de rigeur magical coincidences) and of course the psychogeography of the area, which she goes to Poland to fully understand... |
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Spookdaddy Cuckoo Joined: 24 May 2006 Total posts: 3924 Location: Midwich Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 29-11-2009 16:29 Post subject: |
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| James_H2 wrote: | | ...has anyone read Rodinsky's Room by Rachel Lichstenstein (with a few bits by Iain Sinclair)? It's a very interesting investigation into an old 'Disappeared' guy, whose 1960s room was found intact in the the 1980s above a synagogue off Brick Lane... |
Yes, very interesting book.
And I was going to recommend Lichtenstein's companion volume to that, Rodinsky's Whitechapel, which is a lovely little book - basically a beautifully produced and illustrated walking guide to the sites and buildings relevant to the story - but I notice that it's now selling on Amazon for £60.00.
Bloody hell! Why's it always only the books and records you'd rather starve than sell that are ever worth silly money? |
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James_H2 Great Old One Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Total posts: 709 Location: Hackney! Gender: Male |
Posted: 29-11-2009 17:35 Post subject: |
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| An old tutor of mine is the biggest name-dropper in the world (she knows everyone famous, I believe she even used to go out with the current PM), and lives round the corner in Broadway Market - anyway, when I mentioned the book she said 'oh yes, I know Rachel' - hopefully I can get a lend of the book you've mentioned. |
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rynner2 What a Cad! Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
Posted: 29-11-2009 22:24 Post subject: |
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I don't know anything about Eerie East London (I was a West London boy, me ), but any city as old and complex as London must have certain 'vibes'.
My last visit to the area was in March, 1984, when I took a sail training vessel into the West India Docks on the Isle of Dogs. All around was derelict dockland - I don't recall any buildings over two storeys, although there may have been a few old silos or the like around. (I wish now I'd had a camera with me, but in those years photos were mostly of family...)
This is the area now known to the world as Canary Wharf. All this has sprung up in the last 25 years. From the world's busiest docklands to a major financial centre, which itself has undergone recent ructions in the Credit Crunch.
So much history, packed into what was mostly marshland, a few centuries ago. |
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Tapeloop Yeti Joined: 04 Aug 2002 Total posts: 37 Location: Reading, UK Age: 42 Gender: Male |
Posted: 01-12-2009 21:39 Post subject: |
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| CodenameThrow wrote: |
There's a pub on Bow Road called the Bow Bells (I think) which has a sign above the gents reading "Beware of the ghost" but I never found out what that was about.
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I used to live in Bow back in the early 90s and drank in the Bow Bells quite a bit. We spent ages wondering why the pub would suddenly fill up with loads of tourists and then empty, then someone found out it was part of a ghost tour.
I believe the toilets are supposed to be haunted by a ghost that flushes the loos and throws open locked toilet doors. I never saw anything, but they were always freezing cold, dark and a bit spooky.
Nice pub (well, was in 1992 anyway), worth popping in for a pint. |
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OldTimeRadio Great Old One Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Total posts: 5539 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio USA Age: 72 Gender: Male |
Posted: 04-02-2011 10:57 Post subject: |
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| Spookdaddy wrote: | | I doubt though that there's a single square mile (and you could probably go a lot smaller than that) of London where you couldn't find similar patterns, if you were as selective in your choice of data and as prone to imaginative road-name interpretation. |
A former Net correspondent several years back posted me a street map of Washington, DC, with a Star of David carefully limned against it to demonstrate that the city was built and is still controlled by "Zionists."
I pointed out in reply that there most likely was not a single street map in the world against which we couldn't outline the Star of David, the Cross of Christ, Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck. |
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Spookdaddy Cuckoo Joined: 24 May 2006 Total posts: 3924 Location: Midwich Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 04-02-2011 12:10 Post subject: |
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| OldTimeRadio wrote: | | Spookdaddy wrote: | | I doubt though that there's a single square mile (and you could probably go a lot smaller than that) of London where you couldn't find similar patterns, if you were as selective in your choice of data and as prone to imaginative road-name interpretation. |
A former Net correspondent several years back posted me a street map of Washington, DC, with a Star of David carefully limned against it to demonstrate that the city was built and is still controlled by "Zionists."
I pointed out in reply that there most likely was not a single street map in the world against which we couldn't outline the Star of David, the Cross of Christ, Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck. |
Yes - the modern urban equivalents of Katherine Maltwood's ridiculous Glastonbury Zodiac, I suppose. Perfect examples of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy, written in stone. |
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Stormkhan Disturbingly familiar Joined: 28 May 2003 Total posts: 5330 Location: Robin Hood country. Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 04-02-2011 14:49 Post subject: |
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| Tapeloop wrote: | | CodenameThrow wrote: |
There's a pub on Bow Road called the Bow Bells (I think) which has a sign above the gents reading "Beware of the ghost" but I never found out what that was about.
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I used to live in Bow back in the early 90s and drank in the Bow Bells quite a bit. We spent ages wondering why the pub would suddenly fill up with loads of tourists and then empty, then someone found out it was part of a ghost tour.
I believe the toilets are supposed to be haunted by a ghost that flushes the loos and throws open locked toilet doors. I never saw anything, but they were always freezing cold, dark and a bit spooky.
Nice pub (well, was in 1992 anyway), worth popping in for a pint. |
I, too, was a regular at the Bow Bells in the 90's (we might've "bumped into each other" at some time) since a branch of our RPG club was held in the function room on Thursdays.
Seeing the sudden "invasion" by the tourists was a real wonder to behold. The tour guides sold several books on London's grim past and ghosts ... including the Bow Bells spook, who allegedly did all the things as said above, and favoured pinching the bottoms of users. Apparently, it was a more frequent "visitor" to the Ladies loo! |
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DiabolicalMasterspy Grey Joined: 06 May 2009 Total posts: 19 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 07-02-2011 22:26 Post subject: |
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A few years ago, some friends and I took a winter-time night walk starting in the East and crossing the city, attempting to take in the spookiest places. It left me feeling that there was definitely something in this lark, even it was 'only' a way of inducing gnosis type states.
Halfway along, crossing a small grassy square in the midst of tall, rather ancient looking apartments, we came across a climbing frame that had been customised into a kind of scarecrow. It had a very 'Baron Samedi' sort of appearance to it, cross beams had had gloves added, a hat rammed on top and so forth.
About an hour later, in one of the labyrinthian passages behind Threadneedle Street, we turned a corner and a rat ran out in front of us. And refused to move. Sat on its haunches in the middle of our path, daring us to get nearer. We had to edge around it to get by. As soon as we'd left, it buggered off again. Not a Rat King, possibly a Rat Earl or Duke... |
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theyithian Keeping the British end up
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colinbaker32 Great Old One Joined: 19 Mar 2009 Total posts: 223 Gender: Unknown |
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Spookdaddy Cuckoo Joined: 24 May 2006 Total posts: 3924 Location: Midwich Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 08-02-2011 16:01 Post subject: |
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| DiabolicalMasterspy wrote: | | ...Halfway along, crossing a small grassy square in the midst of tall, rather ancient looking apartments, we came across a climbing frame that had been customised into a kind of scarecrow. It had a very 'Baron Samedi' sort of appearance to it, cross beams had had gloves added, a hat rammed on top and so forth... |
It's not outside the realms of possibility as there are, or have been, Voodoo/Vodou practitioners in the East End of London - I'm pretty sure there used to be an actual bona fide hougan advertising their services in Hackney.
Coincidentally, given the previous discussion re the Bow Bells, somewhere in the same vicinity (I think it's on one of the roads leading south off Bow Road, at the Bow Interchange end) is a house my mate used to call the Voodoo House. My recall of it is hazy, as we always passed it at some god-forsaken hour in the early morning when I was half asleep in the passenger seat of his car. IIRC it was a largish terraced house and I've got a feeling it was painted black and had symbols painted on the doors and windows. Whether it was actually associated with Voodoo, or just a local nickname, I don't know. |
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