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PostPosted: 22-06-2012 15:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see. My posts are being arbitrarily deleted. Great!
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PostPosted: 22-06-2012 18:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

flamesong wrote:
I see. My posts are being arbitrarily deleted. Great!

Nothing's been deleted, so far.

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PostPosted: 28-10-2012 11:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Britain's favourite tinfoil hatter has just given some 6000 of his followers an eleven hour ear bashing at Wembley Stadium.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-icke-is-not-the-messiah-or-even-that-naughty-but-boy-can-he-drone-on-8229433.html

David Icke is not the Messiah. Or even that naughty. But boy, can he drone on

The former goalkeeper spent 11 hours lecturing 6,000 fellow conspiracy theorists at Wembley Arena yesterday. Susie Mesure listened for a while

Independent on Sunday. Susie Mesure. 28 October 2012


"They are laughing at you," Terry Wogan told a noticeably trimmer David Icke back in 1991, "not with you." The former goalkeeper turned sports presenter had not long given up his broadcasting career and pronounced himself the new messiah. And, yes, people laughed; a lot.

Well, yesterday they weren't. Yesterday, they – the 6,000 Icke-ites who had come from all corners of the globe to hear the seer – were laughing at me. Or specifically, the idea that I could distil the wisdom of their messiah into an article without enduring the full 11 hours of lecturing that the rest of the room had travelled so far to hear.

"We have just had a visit from The Independent on Sunday. They turn up two and a half hours after we've started. I mean what chance does she have? I mean, bloody hell, no wonder people are turning to alternative news outlets," the 60-year-old told a sold-out, one-off gathering at Wembley Arena to gales of laughter and raucous applause. Icke singled me out after being told by a minder that I had arrived. The minder said: "You aren't going to write something nasty about him, are you? The press think he is a loony."

To make matters worse I, as a newspaper reporter, am a member of exactly the sort of crazed humanoid reptilian elite that David Icke is convinced is running the world to the detriment of the human race, along with, and in no particular order, Barack Obama, the Queen, Alan Greenspan, Mick Jagger and Tony Blair. That much I gleaned from the two hours I watched Icke, his trademark grey hair flapping round his collar in a mullet, spouting his theories about, again in no particular order: Archons, jinns, interbreeding reptiles, shape-shifters, invisible light, mind parasites and heartless bankers.


I had entered the room knowing that Icke thought he was the son of God and that humanoid reptiles were the incarnation of evil, but not a lot more. I'd love to say I gained an insight, listening to him preach, without notes, laser pen in hand and an incomprehensible presentation beamed on to the wall behind him. I'm afraid I can't. He claims people mock him for leaving school at 15, when I – with my university degree – was left flummoxed because, try as I might, I couldn't understand what he was saying.

Not so his acolytes. The thousands who paid between £39 and £62 for entry to his biggest gathering to date, at the north London venue, are a mixed crowd. They hung on his every word, afterwards discussing it over a cigarette outside. Mona Samar 44, who had flown from Saudi Arabia to hear Icke speak, freely admits she changed her "reality" after getting into the lad from Leicester. The former MS sufferer says: "I was sick myself. But when I changed my reality I changed my health." She stopped her injections seven years ago and is now better. "Pain is controlled by the brain," her friend Diana Marin, 43, from London adds.

Robbie Peake, 26, who travelled from his home in New Zealand's Bay of Plenty to hear Icke speak, and then decided to use it as a mainstay of a three-month trip to Europe, admitted Icke's theories can "sound pretty fruity" but he adds: "Someone is controlling us. It runs right up to the top." When pressed by your confused reporter to reveal who was doing the controlling, he explains: "Reptilian aliens. You see it with TV. They are zoning you out, trying to make you into dumbos while the elite sits on their thrones and run the world. But people are starting to wake up to what is happening."

If by wake up he means buy into Icke's views, then yes, they've bought more than 140,000 copies of his books and shelled out £30 a pop on his DVDs. They've even stopped getting vaccinations. "Apparently in those injections there is something to block the brain," Alan Daw, 50, from the "south of England" tells me. "Vaccinating people could be weakening the human race."

Ben Potter, stage name Clint Delicious, 25, catches me later and, pint in hand, admits the full 11 hours is a bit much. "I get the idea that people on LSD would understand what he says," he tells me, swaying on his feet.

It is all – largely – entertaining stuff, and clearly highly believable to many. Not least those like Mr Potter's friend, punk rocker Jonny Wahwah, 43, who points out that Icke accurately nailed Jimmy Savile to a paedophile mast years ago, but I cannot help feeling it would take an awful lot longer than even the full 11 hours of posturing before I could join his flock. Do, please, feel free to laugh at me.

Wisdom of David Icke

"A group of reptilian humanoids, called the Babylonian Brotherhood, control humanity... I wish I didn't have to introduce the following information [on reptilian shape-shifting] because it complicates the story and opens me up to mass ridicule. but I'm not afraid to go where information leads me... Humanity is mind controlled and only slightly more conscious than your average zombie."

The Biggest Secret book published 1999

"Come on, Ted Heath! Sue me if you've got nothing to hide! Come on, George Bush! I'm ready! Sue me! I'm naming names! Come on, Jon? Why are they refusing to sue me?"

The Guardian, 2001

"I once had an extraordinary experience with former prime minister Ted Heath. Both of his eyes, including the whites, turned jet black and I seemed to be looking into two black holes."

The Guardian, 2006

"Child kidnapping by the state is now an epidemic and many are ending up in the satanic and paedophile rings that control the social service criminal cabals."

www.davidicke.com, 2010

Emphasis mine.

There are lots of ways to abuse the vulnerable. Some are more insidious than others.
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PostPosted: 28-10-2012 13:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in danger of saying that £39-£62 is good value for 11 hours.
But, put it into context... Razz
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PostPosted: 28-10-2012 19:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, it's perhaps time for David Icke to say "I told you so" regarding pedophiles in the elite of society.

Not sure though if Jimmy Savile counts as elite in the society...
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PostPosted: 28-10-2012 19:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

SameOldVardoger wrote:
Now, it's perhaps time for David Icke to say "I told you so" regarding pedophiles in the elite of society.

Not sure though if Jimmy Savile counts as elite in the society...

As somebody else said, over on the Independent website, I think, 'Even a stopped clock is right twice a day'.

Icke believes in almost every conspiracy theory going. He spent eleven hours weaving some of them into his tapestry of significance, at Wembley. He's bound to have a few hits amongst his alternative therapy anti-vaccination, alien reptilian, mind control misses.

A prediction for every eventuality.

And, as I mentioned earlier, apart from a mutual fondness for shell suits, Icke was also a presenter at the BBC, back in the day. He quite likely heard some of the rumours and gossip.
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PostPosted: 28-10-2012 20:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read a lot of his stuff online on his website. I remember his website was more entertaining in the early 00's.

I haven't bothered buying any of his books.
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PostPosted: 29-10-2012 01:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dream job is being David Icke's psychoanalyst.
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PostPosted: 30-10-2012 08:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible that knowledge of , say, Savile's actions caused DI to start off on his conspiracy theory madness as a sort of reaction to knowing something that no-one else appeared to take seriously? A form of frustration?

Just a thought.
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PostPosted: 30-10-2012 09:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

SameOldVardoger wrote:
Now, it's perhaps time for David Icke to say "I told you so" regarding pedophiles in the elite of society.

Not sure though if Jimmy Savile counts as elite in the society...


He was very well-connected though. Some of the names of his friends that're floating round on t'internet (which we won't mention here Wink ) are very prestigious indeed. Shocked

Also, Icke means 'elite' in terms of people's power. Savile was personally very powerful. Untouchable, really.
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PostPosted: 30-10-2012 19:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

escargot1 wrote:
Savile was personally very powerful. Untouchable, really.


This is what I don't get. He was just a clapped out DJ in cheap and nasty leisure wear. How was Savile 'powerful'? It's not like he owned a nuclear-armed submarine or anything. Calling him 'powerful' is like calling Cannon and Ball powerful.
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PostPosted: 31-10-2012 07:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pietro_Mercurios wrote:
'Even a stopped clock is right twice a day'


Morning Fact Fans!

Marwood said that first in "Withnail & I".

Then Orbital sampled it, looped it, and made a track out of it.
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PostPosted: 31-10-2012 07:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarlosTheDJ wrote:

Marwood said that first in "Withnail & I".


Nonsense, that proverb is probably as old as the history of clock manufacture. Lewis Carroll made a conundrum out of it in Victorian times.

(I.e., Which would you prefer: A broken clock or one that lost a minute every day?)
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PostPosted: 31-10-2012 08:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Savile was powerful several ways:

- in the same way that Robrt Maxwell was: he made a lot of money and was able to defend himself litigiously.

- He picked his victims carefully. They were young and often physically weak and many were not in a position to be believed if they complained.

- He also chose his friends astutely, such as top politicians and various police forces. They liked him because his charitable image rubbed off on them.

- He kept up the charity work and identified closely with the charities themselves. This gave him access to the above powerful people and made him appear indispensible to the fundraisers.

- Finally, he had those murkier connections that we keep hearing about. He had links to both criminality and corruption. Outraged fathers and nosy reporters could be frightened off one way or another.

Savile might have started life as a nobody but he didn't stay that way.
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All fair points.
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