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plusk Great Old One Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Total posts: 198 Gender: Unknown |
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Hi,
Once or twice a year my work takes me to a town in Eastern Europe. Almost every time I'm there someone will come up to me and say "Hi Andrew" althogh that's not my name, so clearly I have a double there. The scary bit is that once I was there with my son who was 8 years old then. He was idly staring out of the window when suddenly he does a double take, looks at me, looks out of the window and says "Dad, that's you out there with a dog". (We don't have a dog). I guess if I ever meet this guy I'd better make sure it's the morning!  |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 09-05-2005 12:51 Post subject: |
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In the town I used to live in, several people would call me "Paula" ( which is not my name), as in "Hi Paula", "Nice to see you, Paula" etc. One lady even almost argued with me, insisting I was Paula. She was astounded over how much I look like Paula. Funny though, I have never laid eyes on the woman.
I also heard that someone who looked exactly like me drove the same vehicle as I do. I am assuming it is Paula.
In live in a different city now and while shopping in a department store the other day, the cashier ( whom I have never seen before in my life) said, "Oh you have a new hairstyle". ( I don't) I said, "Ummm no, I've had it like this for a long time." Then she said, 'Are you sure? It looks different than usual." And I said, "yes, I am sure." So then she said, "Well maybe you usually wear it up and today it is down so you look different." I was getting annoyed so finally I just said, "Yes that must be it," so she'd quit asking me. I almost never wear my hair up...if I do, it is just around the house.
So maybe Paula moved to my new city, or someone else here looks uncannily like me.
I'd like to meet this person. |
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| gerardwilkie Great Old One Joined: 17 Oct 2001 Total posts: 851 Location: Scotland Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 28-02-2006 09:00 Post subject: |
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A curious thing happened to me yesterday. Every Monday at around 1400 hours I go to the gym for a workout . Yesterday I left as normal , and at the same time , but I got held up in roadworks and had to take a detour , which meant that I arrived at the gym around an hour later than usual.
We use a computerised key system there , which we use to log in and start our routine . I duly put my key in the slot , but the message read that I was already logged in and asked me if I wanted to finish my session. I checked the details and it said that I logged in at 1405 hours that day (which would have been my normal start time if I hadn't been running late.)
Curiouser still , the computer indicated that the exercises in my training plan had all been performed.
The attendant said that she couldn't understand how this could have happened and reset my informtion in the computer, but it got me wondering - was it the fact that I was running late that was causing this , or is there an alternate 'me' .  |
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| rubberchick1 Grey Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Total posts: 11 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 28-02-2006 18:39 Post subject: |
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re: the Emilie Sagee story
| Quote: | | Emilie had had a clear view of the empty chair and recalled wishing the teacher had not left her pupils alone to waste their time and probably get up to mischief. She had wished, she added, that she could have been sitting there to keep an eye on the girls so they would get on with their work. |
and so she did...!
This sounds an awful lot like an Out Of Body Experience or Astral Projection (if those are the correct terms)
What an excellent story! I've always been fascinated with the idea of doppelgangers. |
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| Prof_Pretorius Killing Threads Since 2004
Great Old One Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Total posts: 103 Location: Dunwich, near Arkham Age: 83 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 28-02-2006 20:43 Post subject: |
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TulipTree said | Quote: | | I had the doppelganger thing in my teen years. |
I too went through this in my teen years. It was quite the odd feeling as people I had never met would swear they'd met me before. Happened so often I would reply, "well, there's about a dozen of me circulating around, you know." Rarely got a laugh.
Then many, many years later Missus Prof convinced me to go to a group demonstration of a certain therapy. I had never been to this hospital, never even heard of this group. No less than four people came up to me, stuck out their hand, and said "oh, doctor so-and-so, didn't expect to see you here tonight." I was almost dumbstruck. I managed a reply along the lines of "well, further inquiries, you know." Strange indeed to have people mistake you like this. My voice is quite scratchy, (thus distinct) and I've never understood how someone could continue to mistake me after I've opened me mouth (??!!) |
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| Bannik It's not easy being green Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Total posts: 1089 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 28-02-2006 21:38 Post subject: |
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| Sometime last summer, Missus Bannik and I were in the grocery store, the guy who normally hands us our fish (is there a name for that occupation? fish fetcher?) walked by and said he saw us walking along the beach on such-and-such a day. We told we weren't at the beach that day but he was certain it was us. He said whoever it was looked exactly like us. After we assured him it couldn't have been us he shrugged and said "well, y'know, they say we all have a twin double walking around pretending to be us." |
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| glamour_dust Torn Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Total posts: 246 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 01-03-2006 02:47 Post subject: |
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Somehow I doubt this story. Or rather, I think it more possibly the result of overactive teenage imaginations. In comparison to the students, adult witnesses were very few. It seems unusual also that the doppleganger was in such close proximity to the schoolteacher on a few occasions yet she never saw it. That doesn't normally happen does it? Somehow I could imagine a little victorian pre-teen concocting a (malicious?) story about a young teacher she disliked or took some special interest in (students do that sometimes). The power of suggestion would have been quite strong in those still superstitious times, and especially in such young minds. The other girls could have gone along with the ruse for the usual reasons at that age - fear, insecurity, the need to belong, enjoyment of the farce and the minor disruptions it caused, or even by convincing themselves that they actually saw the suggested apparitions. Although the story claims that all students had seen the doppleganger, only a few claimed personal interaction with it. The others could have just agreed with the "popular" claims instead of daring to disagree and risk being ostracized. Maybe a few of the more superstitious and scandal-prone staff members also played along, magnifying what was essentially an imaginative rumour into a near certainty. That's my theory anyway. Being a schoolteacher myself I can see how something like that could happen - fiction getting blown out of all proportion.
Of course, I may be completely wrong. Emilie after all did claim to feel "drained" of her energy during the times that her doppleganger had supposedly appeared. I wonder if she had any trouble with this double before joining the school staff - or indeed after leaving? At any rate the story is fascinating - and if it was concocted then the little storytellers showed terrific imagination! 
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| markbellis Great Old One Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Total posts: 540 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 01-03-2006 05:22 Post subject: |
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| I don't think the story happened at all - the tale in the http://www.mysteries.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/1,1.htm reference is told to the Spiritualist writer Robert Dale Owen by the daughter (sister?) of "Baron" Guldenstubbe - who knows where he got the title of Baron from - who only appears to have been a 19th century psychic who wrote books on automatic writing - Julia or Julie, if they're the same, is listed as his sister or his daughter in various sources - if you google the school name it only comes up in reference to the tale, and the family name of the teacher, Sagee or Sagée, cannot be found in the online phone directory of France - and it's a peculiar sort of name, since the way it's written would imply it's the feminine form of a verb or adjective, but there is no French word like that. It looks more like a name someone would make up after hearing a name like Lesage. |
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| rubberchick1 Grey Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Total posts: 11 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 01-03-2006 15:13 Post subject: |
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| Bannik wrote: | | Sometime last summer, Missus Bannik and I were in the grocery store, the guy who normally hands us our fish (is there a name for that occupation? fish fetcher?) |
think that's fishmonger, Bannik but I don't know if it still applies these days.
I also have my suspicions about the authenticity of the story or the girls' reports - there seems to be lots of holes in the story (ie the girls initial reports differed from each other) - but I still think it's an excellent story. |
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| markbellis Great Old One Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Total posts: 540 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 01-03-2006 16:13 Post subject: |
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I can't find the original writing by Owen on the web, so it may be that he was writing fiction and never intended it to be taken seriously - he wrote both essays and novel - but from the sources that quote it, the info is only coming from the 'daughter' of the psychic "Baron" that's telling the story - no other student at the school, if it existed, was interviewed - and the whole school must be at the junction of a tesseract, if it was "6 miles from the port of Riga and 3 ½ miles from Wolmar (now Valmiyera) in Livonia (now Latvia)" - The towns are at least 60 miles apart in a direct line.
It sounds like popular fiction written in a Victorian magazine, which often had settings in exotic locales - and there are far better fantasy writers from that period, like Poe, Stoker, William Morris, Andrew Machen, George MacDonald, Lord Dunsany (a real Baron), and many others. |
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| TulipTree Is this water or air? Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Total posts: 619 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 03-03-2006 03:04 Post subject: |
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| markbellis wrote: | | ... there are far better fantasy writers from that period, like Poe, Stoker, William Morris, Andrew Machen, George MacDonald, Lord Dunsany (a real Baron), and many others. |
Yes, I hear what you are saying, but these little tales told as true events, this type of fiction, is so compelling. It's like the story about the man who disappeared in a field in broad daylight in front of his family. We know that story originated from a tale by Ambrose Bierce, but we still want to believe it.
The Emilie story will always be one of my favorites, and despite all naysaying, I could still just believe that the names and locale were changed to protect the reputations of the school and the students. I think I just like the very idea of bilocation and doppelgangers as much I like the idea of people slipping into other dimensions through a hole in the air. |
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| TulipTree Is this water or air? Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Total posts: 619 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 03-03-2006 03:56 Post subject: |
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Speaking of "true" tales of the paranormal. Another favorite doppelganger story is in Brad Steiger's book Shadow World. Brad Steiger takes what are essentially IHTM stories from his readers and puts them in his books. He says himself that they may not be true but they certainly are entertaining.
In this doppelganger story, a girl keeps getting calls from her boyfriend to meet him someplace alone. Each time, the caller says something that makes her suspicious. He sounds just like her boyfriend, he knows intimate details about her, yet this phantom caller uses strangely old fashioned words or phrases, and then becomes excessively angry and childish when she refuses to leave the apartment. He even comes to her apartment door and she refuses to let him when he exhibits the same strange behavior from the phone calls. The couple's relationship is falling apart, because she doesn't know if her boyfriend is playing cruel games with her and he doesn't know if his previously sweet girlfriend has gone psychotic. After weeks of annoying and frightening phone calls and visits, the doppelganger and the boyfriend meet face to face. In this dramatic meeting, the doppelganger literally disappears in front of the couples eyes after giving a terrible cry of pain or anger. The couple were never bothered again after that.
Brad Steiger writes it much better of course. I think he put this doppelganger in the trickster being category. He wonders what it could have possibly wanted from her. Was scaring her the whole purpose or should she be happy that she never had to find out the real reason it was stalking her? |
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| Bannik It's not easy being green Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Total posts: 1089 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 03-03-2006 06:16 Post subject: |
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| TulipTree wrote: | | Brad Steiger writes it much better of course. I think he put this doppelganger in the trickster being category. |
That's where some have placed Benjamin Franklin! |
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| graylien Great Old One Location: Norwich - home of the Puppet Man! Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 05-03-2006 12:19 Post subject: |
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Location. San Juan Puerto Rico
Date: December 15 2005
Time: 1900-2000
Mr. Palacios was in front of a local Walgreen’s store at the “Los Pascos” shopping center. He was standing outside with his son while the rest of his family shopped inside. Suddenly his son noticed who he thought was a well known local “Ufologist” Andrew Alvarez accompanied by a woman coming out of the Drugstore and walked towards the area of the food court, he immediately told his father since both had recently attended a conference given by Mr. Alvarez. Palacios looked and confirmed it was indeed Alvarez.
Moments later Palacios stepped out into the parking lot in order to smoke a cigarette. Having finished he went back to Walgreen in order to look for his wife, coming out of the store he again noticed the supposed “Alvarez” now wearing a pair of dark sunglasses and alone standing outside. He walked towards Alvarez and as he stood in front of Alvarez this one takes off his sunglasses and stares at him intently. Stunned, Palacios suddenly found himself unable to move, when he realized that Alvarez’s eyes were totally out of the ordinary, they were all black with double lids somehow resembling those of certain reptiles and sharks.
Alvarez (or whoever the imposter was) continues to stare at Palacios intently and without saying a word he put on his sunglasses again, turned his head backwards like canines are able to do (?!) and walked towards the parking lot. Immediately, and now able to move, Palacios followed him, but to his surprise Alvarez had now completely vanished from sight.
Despite the fact that Alvarez’s “double” had not spoken a word, Palacios was convinced that the meaning had been obvious and direct, the imposter had conveyed to Palacios the fact that “he was not the person that he seemed to be”. Why he was chosen to see this apparent “shape shifting” demonstration, Palacios does not know, but thinks it was for the purpose to know that there were other “types” of sentient life that were capable of doing that. Palacios and his family have experienced other apparently unrelated paranormal events...
Location. Between Olhovka & Sosnovo, Saint Petersburg region, Russia
Date: before March 8 2005
Time: daytime
Vyacheslav Rybachkov was driving his car during the holidays to his country cottage in the village of Olhovka to check to see if everything was in order. When he passed Sosnovo and drove onto the asphalt road located amid a dense pine forest he saw a “man” standing near the roadside. He slowed down and recognized the man as his “neighbor” Volodya (short for Vladimir). The witness pulled over, stopped and invited him onboard the car and continued his drive to Olhovka.
His “neighbor” expressed his joy about not having to walk 10km and began to speak animatedly to the witness asking him about his wife and children. His questions seemed strange, he seemed to be interrogating the witness, asking him questions like, how he lived, what he ate, the state of his children’s clothing and asked the witness if he were visiting the church why didn’t he obeyed the traditional Orthodox Church rules, like fasts, etc. “Volodya” also asked the witness about his job, salary and state of health.
Strangely as they approached the village, his neighbor (passenger) unexpectedly asked Vyacheslav to stop the car. Once the witness did, his “neighbor” stepped out of the car. The puzzled witness then continued his drive onto the village not bothering to look back on the rearview mirror at his neighbor.
Upon reaching his house he suddenly saw his neighbor “Volodya” chopping wood in his yard. Vladimir (the real one?) spotted the witness, dropped his ax and approached the witness in order to smoke a cigarette. He made small talk asking the witness about his family and surprised the witness reminded him that he had already answered all those questions in the car earlier. Puzzled, Vladimir told the witness that he had been at home the whole day chopping firewood.
The witness noticed that the “real” Vladimir smelled of alcohol, while the man he had picked up earlier had been totally clean and odorless, also the men were dressed in a different manner, and the real Vladimir never asked so many intrusive questions. So evidently he had picked up a different man, who looked exactly like his neighbor Vladimir, almost like a replica, the real Vladimir never had a twin brother.
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| indigochild Yeti Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Total posts: 54 Location: Cardiff, UK Age: 32 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 29-03-2006 00:12 Post subject: |
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Yikes, MSN just told me I have logged onto another PC....  
Does anyone else think that the Doppelganger in Emilie's case sounds like her soul? Not sure about the vampire thing though. |
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