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TheOriginalCujo Mean Mother Joined: 27 Jul 2001 Total posts: 1894 Location: Aberdeen Age: 42 Gender: Female |
 Posted: 03-09-2001 23:14 Post subject: Weird Experience with Sigil Magic |
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For the last few months I've been trying out Sigil magic as suggested by the Comic writer Grant Morrison on an eppisode of Disinfonation. I tried to keep an open mind on it as befits a good little Fortean but I gave it my best shot.
I expected that some of it would work (perhaps because the Sigil would focus my mind) and that some of it wouldn't (because it was outwith my direct control). However as of today my Sigils have a 100% success rate and it is freaking me out.
I really wasn't expecting this degree of success this quickly.
Do any of you have any similar experiences? Do any of you have any suggestions as to what I should try next? Any witches out there with advice for someone considering a path in witchcraft?
Cujo
(nbot that I count a 100% success rate as proof, you understand:D ) |
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| JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 03-09-2001 23:26 Post subject: |
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I count 100% as fairly good.
But before going overboard, Cujo, I'd need to know a little more.
Like what did you aim for and what did you get?
Sorry I'm nosey that way.  |
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| TheOriginalCujo Mean Mother Joined: 27 Jul 2001 Total posts: 1894 Location: Aberdeen Age: 42 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-09-2001 00:27 Post subject: |
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| James Whitehead wrote: |
I count 100% as fairly good.
But before going overboard, Cujo, I'd need to know a little more.
Like what did you aim for and what did you get?
Sorry I'm nosey that way. |
You know, you sound exactly like I usually do.
Ok at the begining of this year my circumstances were like this:
I was morbidly obease with no hope of change short of surgery.
I lived in a tiny, untidy dump of a bedsit in an unplesant area.
I had no job and no prospect of a job.
I was suffering from Chronic Fatiuge Syndrome (M.E.)
I was living on Income Support and Incapacity Benefit but I wasn't getting Disability Living Allowance (DLA) although I did qualify for it.
On January 4th I went to an appointment at the local Nutrician Clinic. I was terrified they would turn me down for surgery and send me away to die(ok I was being a tad over-dramatic). Much to my surprise I was told that the reason for my weight problem was that my brain doesn't produce any appitie suppressing hormones. In orther words I was always hungry. They told me that I would have to go on a special diet which would make my brain produce these hormones and cause me to loose weight and also help my ME.
This had nothing to do with any Sigil since I didn't even know abou them then but it gave me the hope that made me try them out.
The special diet seemed horrific at first I had to give up pretty much everything I actually like eating and beer and Tequila. I found it very hard. Particularly since ME makes it very hard to be organised. Then I saw the Grant Morrison on the TV talking about this really simple way to do magic which he swore actually worked so I thought 'Why not?'
The first 3 sigils I did were to cause me to stick to the diet and loose wieght, move to a new flat, and get DLA. Later on I decided I wanted a job and more money. so I did two more sigils. 5 months ago I moved to a new flat which I like very much. 3 months ago I got a job, much to my own surprise. After a month on that job I decided I didn't like it very much and it didn't pay enough so I did another sigil for a better job. Last week I was offered a huge raise and a loyalty bonus and suddenly my old job is a better job.
Today I had my DLA tribunal. I was origonally turned down for DLA, I appealed and it went to a tribunal to decide if I should get the benefit (you can work part time and still get both Incapacity Benefit and DLA) I wasn't expecting to get anything as my health has improved since I put in the application and the Benefits Agency Doctor who examined me put in an incredibly predjudiced repport (basicly she said I was fat and lazy and that was all that was wrong with me). The tribunal came up with an almost instant decision without even questoning me. They awarded me the botom level of DLA, backdated to the begining of last September (when I put in the claim). The award doesn't have to be reviewd for another 2 years (which is almost unheard of in cases of ME). In their written judgement they even stated that they preffered the evedence of my own doctor over the Benefits Agency doctor where they conflicted (which is absolutely unheard of).
Oh BTW I have stuck to the diet and so far I've lost 6 stone in 8 months and as promised my ME is a lot better.
Stuff this good just doesn't happen to me. The diet and the change of flat can be explained since that was a direct product of my own endevours. All the sigil did was focus my efforts but the other stuff is outside my direct control.
Cujo
(still in shock) |
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| lucydru Been, left, might be back again.
Great Old One Joined: 03 Aug 2001 Total posts: 494 Age: 32 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-09-2001 14:27 Post subject: |
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How long have you had M.E. for? I ask as I have it myself.
lucydru |
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| Bilderberger Lord Summerisle Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Total posts: 649 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 04-09-2001 15:24 Post subject: Curious |
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Sorry to butt in - but could you point me in the right direction to get more info. on Sigil Magic. I know nothing about it and it sounds very interesting.
Many thanks and I hope everything carries on improving for you as it has in the past.................... |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 04-09-2001 21:19 Post subject: Do any of you have any suggestions as to what I should try n |
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Big hard reality check!
Not because I don't believe your story, or because I doubt that Magick can sometimes be effective. (Although if its so good, how come technology beats it every time in a fight?) But because Magick can be dangerous.
Not because you'll get beset by demons, or end up in hell, but because it can lead to serious psychological problems. If you've had a massive success with Magick, particularly if it seems to have ended what was obviously a terrible period in your life, its really easy to become obsessed with it.
Any honest Magickal practioner will tell you that 'beginners luck' is very common. Suddenly a whole new world appears in front of you, full of apparent possibilities.
Trouble is, for most of the time, its easier to use conventional routes to your goals than magickal ones. Or, when you think your using magick, you're actually using subconscious abilities which, while poorly understood, don't involve violating natural laws.
Either way, its quite common to find that like a junkie, you need more and more to get the same effect. You start to become detached from consensus reality and see signs and wonders everywhere. Then you start to worry about 'psychic attack', or reckoning that you've created a daemon that infests the car park at work, or some equally fruitbat notion.
Finally, you're in a condition pretty indistinguishable from schizophrenia - just like all those way cool shamans in the books!
OK thats a rushed and dramatised argument, but it is based on a lot of years on the fringes of occultism. I'm not saying that Magick is a BAD THING, just that, like psychedelic drugs, sex, and electricity, it can really screw you up if you don't know your. and its limitations...........
Here endeth the lesson........... |
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| TheOriginalCujo Mean Mother Joined: 27 Jul 2001 Total posts: 1894 Location: Aberdeen Age: 42 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-09-2001 23:25 Post subject: |
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| lucydru wrote: |
How long have you had M.E. for? I ask as I have it myself.
lucydru |
About 8 years I think. You might want to see if you can get any information about the diet I'm on. It's officially called the Protein Sparing Modified Fast. The version I'm on would be a bad idea for anyone without an extreme weight problem but there may be a version you could try.
Cujo |
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| TheOriginalCujo Mean Mother Joined: 27 Jul 2001 Total posts: 1894 Location: Aberdeen Age: 42 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-09-2001 23:41 Post subject: |
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Wintermute - I absolutely agree with everything you've said. I don't think magic works on it's own. I'm with Granny Wetherwax (a creation of Terry Pratchet, go read his books they're very good) - you can't help people with magic but you can help them with skin, with yourself, with care and effort.
Actually one of the strangest things about this experience is how I feel about magic now. Causing pysical changes in the material world somehow seems too unimportant since the material world is imperminant and I'm goind to die eventually and I can't take it with me. What I wan't to do now is to work on the inner me, to find inner ballence. I don't know if you can do that with magic.
Cujo |
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| TheOriginalCujo Mean Mother Joined: 27 Jul 2001 Total posts: 1894 Location: Aberdeen Age: 42 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-09-2001 23:49 Post subject: Re: Curious |
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| Bilderberger wrote: |
Sorry to butt in - but could you point me in the right direction to get more info. on Sigil Magic. I know nothing about it and it sounds very interesting.
Many thanks and I hope everything carries on improving for you as it has in the past.................... |
Well the version I've been trying comes mostly from Grant Morrison. I don't know where he got it from. There was someting similar in an article in FT about Austin Osman Spare. If you want details of the version I've been trying e-mail me and I'll try and explain it.
Cujo |
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| JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 05-09-2001 05:13 Post subject: |
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By the sounds of it, your unusual good run of luck, Cujo,
has led back into the world rather than out of it, so I
don't see much sign of damage. May it continue!
Now how do I make a sigil to turn all these red numbers
into black ones in my bank account?  |
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| Bilderberger Lord Summerisle Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Total posts: 649 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 05-09-2001 09:29 Post subject: Sigil |
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| Quote: | | Well the version I've been trying comes mostly from Grant Morrison. I don't know where he got it from. There was someting similar in an article in FT about Austin Osman Spare. If you want details of the version I've been trying e-mail me and I'll try and explain it. |
Oh yes, I remember the article you mean - no longer have that copy of FT so I'll mail you for more details.
Many thanks. |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 05-09-2001 12:55 Post subject: |
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A question!
What's a sigil? And where can I find info about it?
Thanx! |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 05-09-2001 13:21 Post subject: |
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The practice of using monograms to magical ends is as old as letters - the Norsemen used 'bind runes', while the cabbalists made monograms from alphabets drawn from the Aiq-Beker square (see Agrippa's third book of Occult Philosophy).
Most modern authorities cite Austin Osman Spare as the pioneer of modern 'sigil magic', certainly he was the one who made sigils dynamic - the idea that they can be that a seed intent can be put into action instantaneously by "implanting" them into the operator's psyche. This is as opposed to using them as part of long winded astrologically timed rites and superstitious invocations to spirits.
Self-styled Chaos-magician Phil Hine has some introductory texts, such as Oven Ready Chaos, in PDF on his website a5e (try searching for a5e of "5th aeon egregor") which are worth checking out.
DSSh |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 06-09-2001 00:41 Post subject: Re: Do any of you have any suggestions as to what I should t |
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| wintermute wrote: |
Finally, you're in a condition pretty indistinguishable from schizophrenia - just like all those way cool shamans in the books!
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The Point of Shamanism is often that the Shaman has the ability to move between madness and sanity at will.. ie when it is useful. I remember a story - though I forget where from - about a tribe telling how their mad people ran wild in the forest shouting at invisible spirits. When it was pointed out that their shamans did the same they said yes - " but only when they need too!". |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 09-09-2001 19:51 Post subject: On the(e) Nature & Use of Sigils |
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Most sigil technique seems to involve the construction of a 'monogram' from written text. By removing letters till the bare minimum remain (think texting), then re-arranging/layering those left, a design is created which the Magickian then 'charges' in order to have it work its (alleged) effects.
Its always struck me that all the faffing with letters etc is a sidetrack. Surely what you need to construct is a glyph i.e. an image that although simple carries a complex meaning - kinda like this - ! Think of logos/political symbols and you get the idea. In the odd bits of sigil Magic(k) I've attempted I've found this much more effective, possibly because the unconscious 'prefers' visual images to text.
Put another way - I reckon that if you wanted re-housing you'd do better with a kid-type drawing of a house, than playing around with the text 'I need a new house'. |
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