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PostPosted: 28-07-2002 18:44    Post subject: Ley lines Reply with quote

Do people anywhere still take the idea of ley-lines seriously? It seems to have been quite popular at some point if my 80s "weird" books are to believed, but it seems to have disappeared... did anyone ever take the idea seriously? info? anyone?
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PostPosted: 28-07-2002 20:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

They did, but it's bollix

It's easy to find 'alignments' - computer analysis shows that these are quite random.
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PostPosted: 28-07-2002 20:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

good... which computer analysis - when?
(i'm not saying that it isn't bollox btw - just interested)
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PostPosted: 28-07-2002 20:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a few people round here still take them seriously-but you can't really take them seriously .
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PostPosted: 28-07-2002 22:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main problem with 'leys' was that, IIRC, they were the term describing actual tracks, not 'lines of power', etc..
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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 11:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

The alledged St Michael's Ley runs from Marazion in Cornwall to the arse end of England in Norfolk and beyond.
What is interesting is that the Churches on hills found along this Ley - St Michael's Mount, Brentor & Glastonbury are all named after St Michael and all sites of ancient worship which have had contemporary Xtian churches erected.
This Ley also encompasses the Avebury stones and Silbury Hill, again all important ancient sites - one could be forgiven for thinking that there may be something odd going on..............
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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 11:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it depends if you draw a line from any other start point through any other area. You're bound to hit something along the way. That said, IMHO 'leys' are simply a misindentification of the tracks noted in Alfred Watkins' 'The Old Straight Track'. Somehow along the way they were turned into 'lines of power' and all that that entails.
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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 11:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerryB wrote:

Well, it depends if you draw a line from any other start point through any other area. You're bound to hit something along the way. That said, IMHO 'leys' are simply a misindentification of the tracks noted in Alfred Watkins' 'The Old Straight Track'. Somehow along the way they were turned into 'lines of power' and all that that entails.

I believe it also depends on whether you're drawing a straight line on a map, or a geodesic line that takes the curve of the earth into account. When you're talking a bout something as long as the St Michaels Line, there is a difference, so I've been told.
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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 11:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it all depends on whether one believes in ley lines as energy lines or that 'leys' are (perhaps) old trackways, which may have once had a religious significance (perhaps like 'corpse paths'). If there was some evidence in the landscape for a 'processional way' along this line of sites, then the case would have more weight.
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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 17:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted this on another thread:

I'm pretty sure it was Bob Symes who did a report on a university (Kent?) computer analysis of leylines. They concluded that straight alignments were just a matter of chance.

This prompted me to write my own BASIC programs looking for alignments - quite handy, because you can compensate for distortions in paper maps, and include sites that are on different maps. It was a good programming exercise, but I came to the same conclusion - apart from small self-contained sites, the alignments are random. [rynner ducks below parapet yet again.]

(From http://217.206.205.125/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1025 )



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Annasdottir wrote:
I believe it also depends on whether you're drawing a straight line on a map, or a geodesic line that takes the curve of the earth into account. When you're talking a bout something as long as the St Michaels Line, there is a difference, so I've been told.
In fact, with the map projection used by the Odnance Survey (a transverse Mecator), there is very little difference.
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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 17:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quicksilver wrote:

The alledged St Michael's Ley runs from Marazion in Cornwall to the arse end of England in Norfolk and beyond.
What is interesting is that the Churches on hills found along this Ley - St Michael's Mount, Brentor & Glastonbury are all named after St Michael and all sites of ancient worship which have had contemporary Xtian churches erected.
This Ley also encompasses the Avebury stones and Silbury Hill, again all important ancient sites - one could be forgiven for thinking that there may be something odd going on..............


You will find it is fairly normal for churches on top hills to be named for St Michael , whether they are on the Michael line or not , others include Mon San Michel ( sp? apologies) in France and the church on the hill at Burrowbridge in Somerset though I believe these two are on the Michael line anyway . Research time - I will be back!

http://michael.spiralwave.co.uk/ Seems to be a fairly good site with a lot on it though I feel their info on St Michael is a little minimalist . Maybe it will grow !

Actually I will admit to , on more than one occasion when the weather is clear , going up the Tor on May day to watch the sun rise . I tell myself it is for the morris dancers Very Happy


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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 18:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

rynner wrote:

In fact, with the map projection used by the Odnance Survey (a transverse Mecator), there is very little difference.

Thanjs, Ryn. That's my new thing to be learned today!
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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 20:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marion wrote:

You will find it is fairly normal for churches on top hills to be named for St Michael , whether they are on the Michael line or not , others include Mon San Michel ( sp? apologies) in France and the church on the hill at Burrowbridge in Somerset though I believe these two are on the Michael line anyway . Research time - I will be back!

http://michael.spiralwave.co.uk/ Seems to be a fairly good site with a lot on it though I feel their info on St Michael is a little minimalist . Maybe it will grow !

Mont St Michel is actually over a hundred miles south of the St Michael Line (although it does have historical links with Cornwall's St Michael's Mount).

The map on the spiralwave website illustrates the problem with leylines - these sites are not on the same straight line! So which sites are included is purely subjective.

My computer progs had a variable 'error factor', and - surprise, surprise - the larger the error I allowed, the more leys I found!

What really convinced me that leys are just random alignments was the fact that I found just as many when I used things like phone boxes and pubs/hotels instead of ancient sites like churches, etc!

EDIT: The fact that the St Michael line is one of the longest lines in southern Britain is the reason it contains so many sites. My analysis of Cornish sites found many more leys with a SW-NE orientation - purely because this reflects the shape of the peninsular. (A NW-SE direction quickly ends up in the sea!)


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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 21:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What really convinced me that leys are just random alignments was the fact that I found just as many when I used things like phone boxes and pubs/hotels instead of ancient sites like churches, etc!


But couldn't this just mean that modern people are still in tune with the planet, even if they don't realise it?

Whatever that means confused

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PostPosted: 29-07-2002 21:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

It surely should be possible to create new places of power or sacred places , or are they a finite resource from a lost time?
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