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Sergeant_Pluck Great Old One Joined: 10 Apr 2012 Total posts: 504 Location: The Hague, Netherlands. Age: 40 Gender: Male |
 Posted: 07-11-2012 08:08 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I thought it was wide for a bear, but bears don't chase fast so why did they run? |
Come on, it's a bear, wide or not. The frame of it standing up is only for a split second - the width can be explained by the angle at which it stood. I reckon I can actually see its head when it's rooting around on the floor - moving exactly like a bear - and it's a bear! And bears can run faster than humans. |
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| ChrisBoardman Great Old One Joined: 17 May 2011 Total posts: 516 Location: Alton, Hampshire Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-11-2012 11:06 Post subject: |
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I'm not going to argue against it being a bear, I find it funny that they were filming from an angle where you could not tell what it was. That is what you would do if you were faking it.
But it is rare for a bear to run fast. |
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| Sergeant_Pluck Great Old One Joined: 10 Apr 2012 Total posts: 504 Location: The Hague, Netherlands. Age: 40 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-11-2012 11:17 Post subject: |
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| ChrisBoardman wrote: | I'm not going to argue against it being a bear, I find it funny that they were filming from an angle where you could not tell what it was. That is what you would do if you were faking it.
But it is rare for a bear to run fast. |
Yeah, fair enough, but you can interpret it either way, or a thousand ways. Here's me - I'm on a hike and I see a shape behind a bush. I take out my camera and sneak up to see what it is. It then moves, it's obviously bigger than me, so I shit myself and run. I don't see any deliberate fakery here - someone has simply said they can't make out a bear, so they've thrown out the bigfoot angle.
For the record, I absolutely DO believe in some big-foot style creature, but even in my eyes, this is about as obvious a film of a bear as it's possible to get (EDIT: without actually seeing an obvious bear). |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 07-11-2012 12:17 Post subject: |
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Got to admit, from the brief glimpse, it looks like a bear. As they stand up, bears sometimes give a sort of shrug, quickly raising their fore limbs, piling their fleshy weight up on their shoulders and bridling their fur, for balance and as a threatening gesture.
The way the cameraman moves, hell for leather, to get away, it looks like a genuine close encounter of the bear kind. |
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| ChrisBoardman Great Old One Joined: 17 May 2011 Total posts: 516 Location: Alton, Hampshire Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-11-2012 17:51 Post subject: |
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When I was young things like bigfoot fascinated me.
But the more I think about things, it seems unlikely that they could survive without ever convincing footage or a smelly corpse being found.
As for oceanic cryptids, they can't be ruled out for the same reason, so they are more likely. |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2106 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-11-2012 20:30 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | For the record, I absolutely DO believe in some big-foot style creature, but even in my eyes, this is about as obvious a film of a bear as it's possible to get (EDIT: without actually seeing an obvious bear). |
Personally I'm the exact opposite, I'm certain there's no such thing as a bigfoot, yowie, yeti, yeren or anything similar, but I don't think that's a bear, so much as someone in a suit. |
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| Sergeant_Pluck Great Old One Joined: 10 Apr 2012 Total posts: 504 Location: The Hague, Netherlands. Age: 40 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-11-2012 20:49 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But the more I think about things, it seems unlikely that they could survive without ever convincing footage. |
Well, I think the Patterson-Gimlin film is pretty convincing, but I take your point. I'm thinking small populations, in large scarcely populated areas. I don't know - on balance of probabilities for me, there have been too many eyewitness accounts to dismiss it - rather like UFOs in that respect - completely.
| Quote: | | so much as someone in a suit. |
Yeah, I hear you, but it frustrates me that the de facto argument against such footage is the dismissive, 'bloke in a suit' one. It seems to me that it's very difficult to trick modern technology simply by dressing up some bloke in a suit. If you're going to hoax it, you're gonna have to do better than a suit these days.
In this case, it's not so much the way it stands up that convinces me, it's the way it acts on the ground. It's snuffling around exactly like a bear. There's no real clear picture of it upright, but bears stand up all the time. So, it looks like a bear, acts like a bear, and it's in bear country. I'm calling bear. |
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| EnolaGaia Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Total posts: 1197 Location: USA Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-11-2012 21:03 Post subject: |
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| Pietro_Mercurios wrote: | | Got to admit, from the brief glimpse, it looks like a bear. As they stand up, bears sometimes give a sort of shrug, quickly raising their fore limbs, piling their fleshy weight up on their shoulders and bridling their fur, for balance and as a threatening gesture. ... |
I'm glad you brought up the 'shrug' bit, because it relates to something that bothers me about the video.
As I looked at the video, I was struck by the way the creature's silhouette seemed to 'ripple' or 'morph' as it stands up. in particular the right arm / right forefoot seems to appear out of nowhere. I can't help thinking something's not quite 'right' about it. |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Total posts: 8820 Location: Not far from Bedford Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 07-11-2012 21:28 Post subject: |
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| EnolaGaia wrote: | I'm glad you brought up the 'shrug' bit, because it relates to something that bothers me about the video.
As I looked at the video, I was struck by the way the creature's silhouette seemed to 'ripple' or 'morph' as it stands up. in particular the right arm / right forefoot seems to appear out of nowhere. I can't help thinking something's not quite 'right' about it. |
I thought this too. It's CGI (perhaps). |
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| EnolaGaia Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Total posts: 1197 Location: USA Gender: Male |
| Posted: 08-11-2012 00:42 Post subject: |
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| The anomalous sort of morphing effect I saw made me think someone had bit-painted over the frames comprising the stand-up sequence. |
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| stuneville Administrator
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| Posted: 10-11-2012 07:42 Post subject: |
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| Bear or bigfoot footage discussion merged in. |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2106 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
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| Zilch5 Vogon Poet
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| Posted: 23-01-2013 00:11 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Bigfoot or animals? Strange sounds coming from swamp on Umatilla Indian Reservation (listen)
The eerie late-night serenades began in November and emanate from a brushy swamp on the Umatilla Indian Reservation east of Pendleton. The cries range from high-pitched screams to basso profundo roars.
"It's causing an uproar around here," said Sylvia Minthorn, who lives in a tribal housing unit near the swamp, where she used to play as a child.
She's seen grown men's hair stand on end when the shrieks commence.
Colleen Chance, a tribal housing authority employee, keeps a recording of the howls on her iPhone.
"It's kind of spooky," she said. "Some say it's foxes, some say it's a female coyote and some say it's Sasquatch. I don't know what it is." |
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/01/strange_sounds_coming_from_a_s.html
You can compare it with the sound of a fisher cat and foxes at this link:
http://fishercatscreech.com/fisher-cat-sound-and-audio/ |
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| lkb3rd Great Old One Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Total posts: 277 Location: CT. USA Gender: Male |
| Posted: 31-01-2013 00:23 Post subject: |
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http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2013/01/heres-unique-description-of-what.html#moretop
Of course you have to take it for what it is without knowing the person reporting it, but it's an interesting story in my opinion. People asking why hunters don't shoot them might not know many hunters, but the ones I know are if anything uptight about ethics and not shooting anything that they aren't going to eat, can identify clearly as that, in season, etc.
Anyway, enjoy the story  |
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| Ronson8 Things can only get better.
Great Old One Joined: 31 Jul 2001 Total posts: 5970 Location: MK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 03-02-2013 15:26 Post subject: |
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Russian big foot is an American bear.
http://travel.aol.co.uk/2013/02/03/russian-yeti-is-actually-an-american-bear/?ncid=webmail9
For the last three years, there have been several sightings of a Big Foot-type creature in the Mount Shoria region of southern Russia.
Russian fishermen have reported seeing the hairy creature walking on two legs in the region, while days later some others told Fox News that they "saw some tall animals looking like people".
Just last year, the Daily Mail reported that samples of fur found in a Siberian cave were analysed and scientists discovered that it did not belong to any known animal from the region, such as a bear, wolf or goat.
But now The Sun has given samples of this hair to a leading genetics expert, only to discover that the mysterious creatures is actually an American bear that could have escaped from a circus.
The Sun reports that Professor Bryan Sykes of Oxford University's Wolfson Institute found that one of the long, thick hairs comes from a type of black bear from North America - Ursus americanus. They can grow to be seven feet tall - which would explain why it could have been mistaken for a yeti.
The other two hairs turned out to be from a racoon and a horse.
Experts aren't sure how the bear actually ended up in Russia, especially as this type of bear is never usually found outside America.
Professor Sykes told The Sun: "The hairs did not come from a yeti. The American black bear result was highly unusual. An explanation could be an animal escaped from a circus, zoo or private collection, but it is extraordinary." |
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