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PostPosted: 28-09-2012 18:33    Post subject: Annecy Shootings Reply with quote

The Annecy shootings incident on 5th September 2012 seems to have completely dropped off the media radar. Do any board members have any information/theories as to what happened?
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PostPosted: 28-09-2012 18:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh? There was a BBC Radio 4 documentary on the subject yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mx27j

Click on Free download for The Report.
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PostPosted: 28-09-2012 19:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamesWhitehead wrote:
Eh? There was a BBC Radio 4 documentary on the subject yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mx27j

Click on Free download for The Report.


Thanks for that.
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PostPosted: 29-09-2012 16:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the facts started to emerge I immediately thought of the Drummond family murder in the south of France in 1950.
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PostPosted: 29-09-2012 16:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamesWhitehead wrote:
Eh? There was a BBC Radio 4 documentary on the subject yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mx27j

Click on Free download for The Report.


Thanks for the link but this did not reaaly reveal more than had already been in the newspapers.
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PostPosted: 29-09-2012 16:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear. I just found this link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2007/may/19/features.foodanddrink

I knew there were incredible theories in France, at the time, but this is shocking.
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PostPosted: 29-09-2012 19:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

balding13 wrote:
Oh dear. I just found this link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2007/may/19/features.foodanddrink

I knew there were incredible theories in France, at the time, but this is shocking.


Thanks indeed for the link. Very interesting article.
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PostPosted: 30-09-2012 15:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really happy to return the favour as you're always posting interesting stuff.
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PostPosted: 19-10-2012 20:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting development.

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French Alps murders: Cyclist 'was shot first'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20009542

Police suggest the killer of the Hilli family behaved ruthlessly but without logic

Police investigating the shooting of a British family in the French Alps believe the cyclist also found dead at the scene was shot first, according to a leaked provisional scenario.

Sylvain Mollier was hit by the first bullets, the report leaked to the French Le Parisien newspaper suggests.

The killer then shot Saad al-Hilli, his wife and mother-in-law while they sat in their car.

French investigators suggest the killer was acting alone.

The family, from Surrey, were on a camping holiday on the shores of Lake Annecy when they were killed.

The report details how forensic tests suggest Mr Hilli was outside the car with his seven-year-old daughter Zeinab when the shooting started and had attempted to escape with his family before being shot, the BBC's Christian Fraser in Paris says.


Saad al-Hilli was found dead in his car in France along with two family members
In panic, Mr Hilli reversed the car into a bank of earth surrounding the remote car park above the hamlet of Chevaline, the report suggests, trapping the back axle and preventing his escape.

Without logic
Zeinab was also shot in the shoulder and was struck with the gun, but survived.

The killer then returned to Mr Mollier, who had been wounded by the first shots, police believe.

The killer apparently missed her four-year-old sister Zeena who was found hiding under the skirts of her dead mother and grandmother the following day.

Police described the killer as behaving ruthlessly, but without much logic, a pattern of behaviour they suggest is not consistent with a professional hitman.

The report does not suggest investigators are any closer to learning the identity or motive of the killer.

Speaking earlier this month, the French chief prosecutor in the case, Eric Maillaud, warned there was no hope of solving the murders "in the near future".

"There are lines of inquiry but each raises so many questions and nothing suggests there will be a quick solution," he said.

French and British police have formed a joint task force to investigate Mr Hilli's work as an engineer, his family connections and links to Iraq, where he was born.

Christian Fraser says the leaked report does not dispel French police's current working theory that the gunman was local and a "lone wolf".
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PostPosted: 28-10-2012 09:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Claims emerge Alps murder victim may have had access to part of Saddam Hussein's fortune
A British engineer murdered in the French Alps may have had access to part of a multi-million pound fortune once belonging to Saddam Hussein, it has been claimed.
By Peter Allen, Paris
10:01PM BST 27 Oct 2012

The possibility was raised by German secret agents working on the international enquiry into the quadruple killing close to Lake Annecy on September 5.

Iraqi-born Saad Al-Hilli, 50, died in a blaze of gunfire alongside his wife Iqbal, 47, his mother-in-law Suhaila Al-Allaf, 74, and Sylvain Mollier, 45, a French cyclist.
Since the massacre in an isolated wooden layby on September 5th, police and prosecutors have been at a loss to establish a motive for the bloodshed.

But now intelligence officials based in Berlin have uncovered evidence that Mr Al-Hilli may have had access to cash which belonged to the former Iraqi dictator.
This raises the possibility that sinister forces specifically targeted Mr Al-Hilli as a means of gaining access to part of the enormous wealth that Saddam hid around the world, and especially in Switzerland.

Specialist police were last week questioning Geneva-based bankers about the Al-Hilli’s assets, while financial records in countries including the USA have also been requested.

It has already been established that Mr Al-Hilli was in dispute with his older brother, 53-year-old Zaid Al-Hilli, over the will of their father, Kadhim, who died around a year ago in Spain.
Until now it was thought that the money under dispute came from Kadhim’s property dealing and other business interests.

But the German agents have now told their French anti-terrorist counterparts that cash deposited in an Al-Hilli account in Geneva originally came from Saddam.
Kadhim, a former factory owner, left Baghdad in the late 1970s with his wife, Fasiha, and two boys, after allegedly falling foul of Saddam's Ba'ath Party.
The family settled in Pimlico, central London, with any accounts containing money given to Kadhim by Saddam allegedly frozen after Kadhim was struck off a "list of beneficiaries", according to the new German intelligence.

But the clear implication is that Kadhim may not have fallen out with Saddam at all, and was in fact being used to get money out of Iraq on behalf of the dictator, who was always making plans in case he was overthrown.

etc...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9638566/Claims-emerge-Alps-murder-victim-may-have-had-access-to-part-of-Saddam-Husseins-fortune.html
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PostPosted: 28-10-2012 19:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see the Grauniad is keeping up with the fact-checking...

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Pepsi Co, for example, which owns the juice brand Tropicana, sells an orange-juice product called Multivitamins; it costs five times more than ordinary orange juice. Unilever's Flora pro-activ margarine, meanwhile, contains hydrogenated sterols, a plant compound that is supposed to lower cholesterol in the blood; it costs 11 times as much as regular margarine.


Im guessing 5% and 11% would be closer than 5 and 11 times...
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PostPosted: 05-11-2012 02:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fulcaneli wrote:
JamesWhitehead wrote:
Eh? There was a BBC Radio 4 documentary on the subject yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mx27j

Click on Free download for The Report.


Thanks for the link but this did not reaaly reveal more than had already been in the newspapers.


Not surprising good relevant information hasn't surfaced yet.
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PostPosted: 05-11-2012 07:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm wondering if the cyclist was the intended victim and the family were the one's in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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PostPosted: 05-11-2012 21:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monstrosa wrote:
I'm wondering if the cyclist was the intended victim and the family were the one's in the wrong place at the wrong time.


I think so too. I seem to recall hearing something that suggested he was shot first.
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PostPosted: 05-11-2012 21:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's in a post by Ramon further upthread.
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