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PostPosted: 12-09-2013 17:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Dave wades into the debate:
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-09-10/david-attenborough-i-believe-the-abominable-snowman-may-be-real

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David Attenborough believes that the Yeti – or Abominable Snowman – may be real.

The world-renowned naturalist and broadcaster says he thinks the creature of Himalayan legend – which has a North American cousin known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch – could be much more than a myth.


“I believe the Abominable Snowman may be real. I think there may be something in that," said Attenborough, speaking today at a showcase of upcoming programmes on UKTV.

“There are footprints that stretch for hundreds of miles and we know that in the 1930’s a German fossil was found with these huge molars that were four or five times the size of human molars.

“They had to be the molars of a large ape, one that was huge, about 10 or 12 feet tall. It was immense. And it is not impossible that it might exist. If you have walked the Himalayas there are these immense rhododrendron forests that go on for hundreds of square miles which could hold the Yeti."

Attenborough, who was addressing an audience at the Saatchi Gallery to promote a second series of Natural Curiosities on the Eden channel, explained why the existence of the beast had not been proven up until now: “If there are some still alive and you walked near their habitat you can bet that these creatures may be aware of you, but you wouldn’t be aware of them...”


He's visited the place, so he'd know better than some, right? Anyone aware of this German fossil found in the 1930s?
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PostPosted: 12-09-2013 20:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He's visited the place, so he'd know better than some, right? Anyone aware of this German fossil found in the 1930s?


No, not necessarily he's only visited the place very briefly compared to the locals, who make it clear that the Yeti isn't a simple flesh and blood animal.

The German fossil wasn't found in the Himalayas but in a Chinese medicine shop in China or Hong Kong by Ralph von Koenigswald. It was a gigantopithecus molar. A few molars and a jawbone are all the fossils we have for this species. At one time based on the width of the rear part of the jaw* it was suggested that gigantopithecus might have been bipedal, though this idea has been largely abandoned. As a result of this previous line of thought, as well as the fact that it lived on the same continent as the yeti is supposed to, they got lumped in together.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gigantopithecus_blacki_mandible_010112.jpg
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PostPosted: 13-09-2013 17:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. The evidence gets a bit vaguer on closer examination, I suppose.
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PostPosted: 14-09-2013 21:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't it always.
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PostPosted: 17-10-2013 07:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new species of bear, related to the polar bear? Something concrete at last?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/has-the-yeti-mystery-been-solved-new-research-finds-bigfoot-dna-matches-rare-polar-bear-8884811.html


Has the Yeti mystery been solved? New research finds 'Bigfoot' DNA matches rare polar bear

Discovery leads scientists to believe there could be a sub species of brown bear in the High Himalayas that has been mistaken for the mythical beast

The Independent. Jennifer Cockerell. 17 October 2013


New DNA research may have finally solved the mystery of the yeti. Tests on hair samples were found to have a genetic match with an ancient polar bear, with scientists believing there could be a sub species of brown bear in the High Himalayas that has been mistaken for the mythical beast.

Yetis, also known as the “Abominable Snowman” or “Bigfoot”, have been recorded for centuries in the Himalayas, with local people and mountaineers claiming to have come face-to-face with hairy, ape-like creatures.

Bryan Sykes, professor of human genetics at the Oxford University, set out to collect and test “yeti” hair samples to find out which species they came from. In particular he analysed hairs from two unknown animals, one found in the Western Himalayan region of Ladakh and the other from Bhutan, 800 miles to the east.

After subjecting the hairs to the most advanced DNA tests available and comparing the results to other animals' genomes stored on the GenBank database, Professor Sykes found that he had a 100 per cent match with a sample from an ancient polar bear jawbone found in Svalbard, Norway, that dates back at least 40,000 years - and probably around 120,000 years - a time when the polar bear and closely related brown bear were separating as different species.

Professor Sykes believes that the most likely explanation is that the animals are hybrids - crosses between polar bears and brown bears. The species are closely related and are known to interbreed where their territories overlap.

The professor said: “This is an exciting and completely unexpected result that gave us all a surprise. There's more work to be done on interpreting the results. I don't think it means there are ancient polar bears wandering around the Himalayas.

“But we can speculate on what the possible explanation might be. It could mean there is a sub species of brown bear in the High Himalayas descended from the bear that was the ancestor of the polar bear. Or it could mean there has been more recent hybridisation between the brown bear and the descendent of the ancient polar bear.”

A photograph of a “yeti' footprint, taken by British climber Eric Shipton at the base of Everest, sparked global mania after it was taken in 1951.

Legendary mountaineer Reinhold Messner, who became the first man to climb Everest without oxygen, has studied yetis since he had a terrifying encounter with a mysterious creature in Tibet in 1986.

His own research backs up the Prof Sykes' theory. He uncovered an image in a 300-year-old Tibetan manuscript of a “Chemo” - another local name for the yeti, with text alongside it which was translated to read: “The yeti is a variety of bear living in inhospitable mountainous areas.”

Prof Sykes added: “Bigfootologists and other enthusiasts seem to think that they've been rejected by science. Science doesn't accept or reject anything, all it does is examine the evidence and that is what I'm doing.”

His investigations features in a new three-part Channel 4 documentary series, Bigfoot Files, which starts on Sunday.

A book by Prof Sykes about his research, The Yeti Enigma: A DNA Detective Story, is to be published next spring.

Thursday 17 October 2013
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PostPosted: 17-10-2013 07:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Yeti lives': The secrets of bigfoot uncovered in new documentary
A new Channel 4 series hopes to uncover the secrets behind the legend of bigfoot by using DNA testing to determine if he's a hominid, an ape, or just a hoax.
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7:00AM BST 17 Oct 2013

Oxford scientist Bryan Sykes has teamed up with presenter Mark Evans to uncover the global legend surrounding bigfoot for a new Channel 4 documentary series called Bigfoot Files.

Dr Sykes, who is a Professor of Human Genetics at Oxford University, has assembled substantial physical evidence, which he subjects to the most sophisticated DNA tests available, to answer scientifically, once and for all, the mystery of Bigfoot.

The first episode, in the three part series, sees Mark Evans travel to the Himalayas to find the real story behind the centuries-old yeti legend.
He risks altitude sickness at Everest Base Camp, where the photograph of a footprint in the snow set off yeti mania in 1951.
He then traces the legend through ancient manuscripts, holy relics and a Nazi expedition, and meets people convinced they have come face-to-face with the creature known in the west as the Abominable Snowman.

Bigfoot Files airs on Channel 4, October 20 at 8.00pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10384296/Yeti-lives-The-secrets-of-bigfoot-uncovered-in-new-documentary.html
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PostPosted: 17-10-2013 15:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Polar bears are common in the Himalayas...There is a relict population left over from the Younghusband expedition in 1904.

Apparently bears were often used as sledge beasts in artic travel back then, it was thought that they might prove just as useful in the high mountains.
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PostPosted: 17-10-2013 16:24    Post subject: "More Yogi than Yeti" Reply with quote

Did anyone see the "Yeti" scientist on BBC earlier. "More Yogi than Yeti". Great quote!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24565282
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PostPosted: 17-10-2013 18:17    Post subject: Re: "More Yogi than Yeti" Reply with quote

forteanolson wrote:
Did anyone see the "Yeti" scientist on BBC earlier. "More Yogi than Yeti". Great quote!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24565282

No. Haven't seen it yet. Since we already have a lovely big Yeti thread, I've merged your post with that.

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PostPosted: 17-10-2013 19:23    Post subject: Re: "More Yogi than Yeti" Reply with quote

forteanolson wrote:
Did anyone see the "Yeti" scientist on BBC earlier. "More Yogi than Yeti". Great quote!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24565282


It's interesting from a bear perspective but I'm dubious as to whether it really relates to fundamental reason for the yeti myth.

I don't think people will start mistaking bears for yetis unless the idea of a yeti already exists.

I doubt that any amount of field work or science will ever really scratch the surface, the answer here I think lies in human psychology.
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PostPosted: 18-10-2013 13:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know Brian Sykes and he s a great bloke and top of his field. I'm sure he has very unusual bear hair but its not the yeti. The yeti walks erect, has a human like grip )capable of hurling rocks) and a gorilla-like face. It's a primate, probobly a great ape, rather than a bear. Trying to say it is a bear is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole its just no in line with the accounts.
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PostPosted: 18-10-2013 14:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yogi Bear walks erect.
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PostPosted: 18-10-2013 17:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramonmercado wrote:
Yogi Bear walks erect.


Are we hinting at the Boo-Boo question? kissers
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PostPosted: 18-10-2013 18:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

lordmongrove wrote:
I know Brian Sykes and he s a great bloke and top of his field. I'm sure he has very unusual bear hair but its not the yeti. The yeti walks erect, has a human like grip )capable of hurling rocks) and a gorilla-like face. It's a primate, probobly a great ape, rather than a bear. Trying to say it is a bear is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole its just no in line with the accounts.


Far too much is being made of this, as if this is the first time the idea has been proposed. Some hairs, which have turned out to be very interesting in their own right, have been proposed to have been from a yeti but weren't. It says nothing for the identity of the yeti whatsoever.

You can't illuminate myth with science.
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PostPosted: 18-10-2013 19:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we have a bear, a bear we don't know about....

...And we are told by some that the yeti is a bear who walks upright (like the bear in the kipling poem?)

Connection here?
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