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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 01:52    Post subject: The Sir Jimmel "Owzabout then" Paedo ring cover up Reply with quote

OK, so so far it's come out that Jimmel Fixit has abused kids all over the country, including the Haut de La Garenne childern's home in the Channel Islands. 60 possible victims since 1959, according to the latest as of posting.

A friend of the Thatchers.

A friend of Prince Charles.

And yet apparently free to nonce his way round Britain for decades until finally dead. Former colleagues have spoken of him bribing police officers.

Feel free to speculate on the inevitable 'paedo ring cover up' conspiracy theories here.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 05:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think one can assume he made 'friendships' with powerful people as a form of protection - from their point of view I expect they though of him as just another pushy celeb.

If he couldn't turn on the charm when he needed to then he wouldn't have been in the public eye as he was. To have a career as he had - like other infamous men - he must have been highly intelligent, manipulative and ruthless.

One wonders what the Royal and PM bodyguard/vetting people were doing. I don't think you can blame either the Thatchers or Price Charles for taking him at face value - they won't have been as close to him day to day as, say , his colleagues at the BBC. And I don't suppose either of them would listen to public bar gossip.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 06:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is already being discussed on the Jimmy Savile thread - we don't need another one. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 07:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry - thought this might have been about the wider Ickeian issues .
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 07:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I think we can go with this. The existing thread purely for the Savile investigation, this one for wider cover-up, bigger picture, aforementioned Icke-isms, etc. If it falls to bits we'll reassess it.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 08:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so sure. Names are going to come up. Nobody's going to sue for being called a lizard, but people get a bit touchy about being associated with the other thing.

I can smell a sudden thread-closing a mile off. Laughing

Anyway... I've just seen on the BBC that a former BBC executive, Derek Chinnery, asked Savile about the rumours 20 years ago. Savile said 'Oh, it's nonsense!' and that was that.

Liz Dux is a solicitor who specialises in abuse cases. She is not impressed by this exchange and says that Chinnery should have taken it directly to the Director General as it concerned the criminal act of sexual assault.

Seems that Chinnery's story corroborates the victims' possible claims against the BBC as being 'vicariously liable', ie that they were abused by Savile while he was acting as the BBC's agent.

Sounds like stupidity or at least naivete to me, on Chinnery's part.

Incidentally, a careful reading of Dux' later statements might be revealing. She says that she been asked about compensation by alleged victims only of Savile. To me, that faintly suggests that a victim of alleged abuse by a living person might go direct to the police. We have indeed heard whispers of still-living alleged offenders.

What's that smell? Wink
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 10:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

escargot1 wrote:
Anyway... I've just seen on the BBC that a former BBC executive, Derek Chinnery, asked Savile about the rumours 20 years ago. Savile said 'Oh, it's nonsense!' and that was that.

Or was it "Nonce Sense" (sorry, I'm channelling Chris Morris today... Razz )

I'm not sure the whole JS thing fits as a proper, dedicated, pre-meditated cover up (except on the part of JS himself, it seems.) It was more like people looking the other way, or just not caring - a conspiracy of apathy, if you like. Still just as bad though.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 10:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it reflects the human instinct not to want to know horrible things. Also, we are very much creatures of habit, as Derren Brown, for example, shows. It is a very rare individual (especially British or Irish) who would acknowledge that the emperor is naked, let alone naked with a young girl. Any of these scandals, from Shoot to Kill, Kincora, North Wales Homes and Hillsborough, all display the same mix of small-scale evil and large-scale obfuscation and burying one's head in the sand.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 12:59    Post subject: Re: The Sir Jimmel "Owzabout then" Paedo ring cove Reply with quote

garrick92 wrote:
OK, so so far it's come out that Jimmel Fixit has abused kids all over the country...


It's been alleged. There's no actual proof as yet.

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...including the Haut de La Garenne childern's home in the Channel Islands.


Again, no proof as yet.

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Former colleagues have spoken of him bribing police officers.


Yet again, no proof. If there were, those officers would have been charged.

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Feel free to speculate on the inevitable 'paedo ring cover up' conspiracy theories here.


As long as you bear the above in mind, then okay. The first instance that someone still-living is named as being involved in any alleged wrongdoing, I'll close the thread myself.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 13:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoffre wrote:
escargot1 wrote:
Anyway... I've just seen on the BBC that a former BBC executive, Derek Chinnery, asked Savile about the rumours 20 years ago. Savile said 'Oh, it's nonsense!' and that was that.

Or was it "Nonce Sense" (sorry, I'm channelling Chris Morris today... Razz


I thought that too - in fact I heard it in Phil Collins' voice! Laughing
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 15:07    Post subject: Re: The Sir Jimmel "Owzabout then" Paedo ring cove Reply with quote

WhistlingJack wrote:
It's been alleged. There's no actual proof as yet.


Yeah, thanks. There will never be definitive proof, as all the cases are historic in nature and the crime leaves no physical evidence. Well, perhaps DNA but technology wasn't sufficiently advanced in the 1950s/60s/70s.

Perhaps you have some good reason to doubt the victims?

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As long as you bear the above in mind, then okay. The first instance that someone still-living is named as being involved in any alleged wrongdoing, I'll close the thread myself.


Calm down dear.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 15:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can slander/libel/defame/ Savile as much as we like though, as he's dead.

I for one have no trouble believing that he like to make teenage girls stick their fingers up his bum while masturbating him, having seen him week after week on top Of The Pops surrounding himself with teenage girls, who made him look by comparison not hip and glamorous but old and sleazy.

Other R1 DJs looked wholesome even to a green teenager like me. David 'Diddy' Hamilton was short, Tony Blackburn told awful jokes and Dave Lee Travis, er, had a beard. Can't remember hearing any acandal about them!
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 15:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC the notorious Chris Morris show did not feature Savile, though a number of DJs were among those fooled into making ridiculous claims about paedophiles sharing the same genetic code as crabs etc!

Morris did, however, prophetically announce the death of Savile on a radio show in 1994:

That soundclip here

Savile sued, maybe sensing the danger of being dead! Smile
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 16:12    Post subject: Re: The Sir Jimmel "Owzabout then" Paedo ring cove Reply with quote

garrick92 wrote:
There will never be definitive proof


Glad you agree.

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Perhaps you have some good reason to doubt the victims?


The pertinent point is whether you or any other members of the hysterical mob have good reason to doubt the presumed innocence of someone who hasn't been convicted by a court of law.

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Calm down dear.


Don't push it.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2012 16:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamesWhitehead wrote:
IIRC the notorious Chris Morris show did not feature Savile, though a number of DJs were among those fooled into making ridiculous claims about paedophiles sharing the same genetic code as crabs etc!

Morris did, however, prophetically announce the death of Savile on a radio show in 1994:

That soundclip here

Savile sued, maybe sensing the danger of being dead! Smile


He didn't sue, but he threatened to proceed with legal action so Radio One refused to renew his contract. Effectively Morris was sacked
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