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I've recently been thinking about people's emotional (and physical) reactions after their exposure to various types of supernatural phenomenon, and was wondering if anyone else has experienced anything similar to what I've witnessed over the years. It seems that men in-particular can become very nasty and violent after witnessing externalised manifestations around me and other occultists I know, and seem to become completely different people. Is this some sort of deep psychological defence mechanism? I'd be interested to hear of any similar experiences and opinions.

Posted: 08-02-2013 23:14 Post subject:

When you say 'nasty', what do you mean? Perhaps you could describe an example.

Posted: 09-02-2013 01:01 Post subject:

Well nasty in a verbal and physical sense. From what I've seen some people, usually male, become verbally abusive and then followed by outbursts of mild or extreme physical violence.

I remember once this occured after a fridge door rapidly opened and closed itself 10 to 15 times in a house in Dorset I was staying in at the time, the other person who witnessed this was a guy in his late 30s who strangely blamed me for the phenomena and became verbally abusive in a very odd and extreme manner.

Another brief example is when a friend and occultist in the mid 80s was badly physically attacked on a council estate by a male who witnessed, unintentionally, some explicit manifestation. I've not heard of anything like this outside of my own experience and it's really been on my mind lots recently.

Posted: 09-02-2013 02:14 Post subject:

I can't say I've ever known any witnesses to Fortean phenomena to even get agitated / angry, much less physically violent. I've been a joint witness to multiple oddities (mainly unexplained aerial phenomena, realtime orbs, phantom figures, odd sounds / noises, the occasional movement / disappearance / breakage of household items) along with other males. In fact, most of these cases involved 100% male witnesses. The only emotional reaction I recall anyone having was apprehension or vague fear, and even those were minority occurrences.

On the other hand, I'd suppose it has a lot to do with situational context. If an oddity occurs in a context such that one person (X) thinks he's being "played" (spoofed, pranked, etc.), I wouldn't be surprised if X were to fly off the handle. If the situation were to be such as to suggest a likely suspect for such pranking (e.g., you in the case of the incident at your house), I could see how X's agitation / anger could end up being directed toward that person.

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Posted: 10-02-2013 21:15 Post subject:

Maybe the paranormal event is a manifestation of the unstable mind who would turn violent in such a situation? Like a self-fulfilling thing?

Posted: 11-02-2013 02:51 Post subject:

It's my experience that some people can become physically violent for what would seem, to others at least, very petty reasons. I remember reading a news article about a man in a nightclub being seriously assaulted because a couple of other people present ' didn't like the way he was dancing'. Sadly, it's a fact of life.

That would lead me to the conclusion that violence is often committed for no better reason than someone doesn't 'like/appreciate/endorse/understand' - please delete as appropriate - the actions of their fellow man/woman. Amplify that by an experience far outside of the 'norm' and opportunities for violent/extreme reactions would abound.

If you mean reactions directly related to occult practices then of course the literature is full of warnings to the foolhardy and or careless, concerning proper rites to close workings, offer entities licenses to depart etc. I suppose the rationale being that energies are raised that can then prove dangerous/harmful if left unchanelled and kind of 'floating about'. Your comment about an acquaintance being on the receiving end of violence because an unconnected party to the event had witnessed it seems, and forgive me if im come across as harsh here, a predictable and some would opine deserved consequence of being so magic(k)ally and just plain real world sloppy in their execution of the deed. Your average bloke (TM) seeing a bloke in a robe doing 'satan stuff' through the open curtains of a council house might well lead to the robed bloke getting 'filled in' to use the vernacular, if only under the excuse of 'protecting the kids'.

Personally ive never had what i could class as an 'external manifestation', bumps and crashes apports etc notwithstanding, so certainly wouldnt claim first hand knowledge. Ive read of people doing magicky stuff and then losing their minds, just as ive heard of people having a bad trip in the 60s-70s, being institutionalised, and STILL BEING THERE Surprised

but have never experienced that in any of my real world contacts. Heck, people 'go mad' without recourse to ritual or drugs...

a rambling response i know, but as you invited opinions...

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Posted: 17-02-2013 21:38 Post subject:

Righto, In which case it is quite difficult to compare similar experiences when your account lacks basic comparable elements. Are we talking levitating rizla packet.... errant tulpa.... pan dimensional gateway???

Narrow it down a bit. It appears you wish to know whether anyone has shared an experience that you refuse to reveal. If an octopuss was brought forth from Hades screaming 'your mum's a cock' at a passing ruffian then i would be unsurprised if a fella received a punch up the conk whether minding their business or not.

'Heavy occurences' are waaaaaaaaay to tantalising to dangle

spill those beans