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kais_1 Yeti Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Total posts: 98 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: 14-03-2013 21:32 Post subject: |
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| seems you are quite blind that's all |
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| MercuryCrest The Severed Head Of A
Great Old One Joined: 24 Mar 2003 Total posts: 753 Location: Floating down the Ganges Age: 33 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 14-03-2013 21:40 Post subject: |
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Either I am blind, or you have been misled.
We'd each like to think the other wrong. I, however, will change my opinions and beliefs according to my environment and facts being brought to light that were previously unknown to me.
Will you? |
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| kais_1 Yeti Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Total posts: 98 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 14-03-2013 21:54 Post subject: |
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| MercuryCrest wrote: | Either I am blind, or you have been misled.
We'd each like to think the other wrong. I, however, will change my opinions and beliefs according to my environment and facts being brought to light that were previously unknown to me.
Will you? |
yeah why not, but show me evidence that media doesn't contain any subliminals |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 14-03-2013 22:49 Post subject: |
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| kais_1 wrote: | | MercuryCrest wrote: | Either I am blind, or you have been misled.
We'd each like to think the other wrong. I, however, will change my opinions and beliefs according to my environment and facts being brought to light that were previously unknown to me.
Will you? |
yeah why not, but show me evidence that media doesn't contain any subliminals |
Where's your evidence for your assertions about the summoning of djinn?
MercuryCrest has a point. Several times in your post, you take groundless speculation and build more conspiracy theory on top, as if it was foregone fact. You build out and around the most specious straw-man arguments. It's as if I said that the moon was probably made of green cheese and then used that statement to prove that NASA faked the Moon landings. Then, I pointed out that Ardmann Animation had used subliminal methods to leak the truth by making, 'A Grand Day Out', when Wallace and Grommit fly to the Moon to collect Moon cheese. And then, apropos of nothing, I throw in something about how pyramids look a bit like Moon rockets and what is the connection between pyramids and the Temple of Solomon?
Of course, that's mostly done by confusing fiction for fact. Something you appear to do repeatedly.
Seriously, it's very easy to imbue just about everything with with hidden, arcane significance, to join lots of random dots and prove a vast conspiracy of evil, but it's not real, or healthy. |
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| emina Great Old One Joined: 06 Mar 2010 Total posts: 120 Location: Good Question Gender: Male |
| Posted: 15-03-2013 13:17 Post subject: |
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| kais_1 wrote: | | MercuryCrest wrote: | Either I am blind, or you have been misled.
We'd each like to think the other wrong. I, however, will change my opinions and beliefs according to my environment and facts being brought to light that were previously unknown to me.
Will you? |
yeah why not, but show me evidence that media doesn't contain any subliminals |
Do you mean 'evidence' or 'proof'?
The proposition, "Show me proof that X doesn't exist." has no place in any debate relating to rational methodology.
The burden of proof for any idea is always on the individual making the claim, and it's philosophically impossible to disprove a negative without placing caveats on the claim.
e.g. Show me proof that thylacines don't exist.
In theory, you can prove that they do exist by finding one, but you can't prove that they don't exist by not finding one.
Adopt that logic and you can basically end up believing anything. I mean, show me evidence that we don't all live on the back of a giant turtle and that the reason we don't realise it is that aliens from the planet Sirius came here on the backs of cosmic unicorns and hypnotised us.
It's basically the starting point for belief in conspiracy theories and cult membership. Sure, maybe some conspiracy theories are true, and maybe some cult's beliefs are actually true, but again, if anyone would like to demonstrate this, the burden of proof for any idea is always on the individual making the claim...
As for 'evidence'; well, absence of proof might not not equate to proof of absence, but absence of evidence does amount to evidence of absence. Given that Mercury Crest hasn't knowingly seen any such message (what with it being subliminal and all, allegedly) he has naturally assumed as much. So, it's up to you to demonstrate otherwise.
Sorry mate, but the ball's in your court here!
If you've got evidence of the kind of thing your talking about, please show us and we can give them due consideration. |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 15-03-2013 14:57 Post subject: |
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| emina wrote: | | kais_1 wrote: | | MercuryCrest wrote: | Either I am blind, or you have been misled.
We'd each like to think the other wrong. I, however, will change my opinions and beliefs according to my environment and facts being brought to light that were previously unknown to me.
Will you? |
yeah why not, but show me doesn't contain any subliminals |
Do you mean 'evidence' or 'proof'?
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Asking for, "evidence that media doesn't contain any subliminals", is really asking the wrong question. There's plenty of evidence for subliminals in the media. Advertising, for example, relies on subliminal cues, like sexy juxtapositions and product placement in films and tv programmes, to nudge consumers along. The question is, can kais_1 provide any real proof that subliminal methods in the media are being used to promote Satanism? Apart from the paranoid echo chamber looney tunes of the evangelical right and the bizarro world views of the likes of David Icke and Alex Jones. Or, the MTV Music Awards, of course.
Widespread use of subliminals in the service of Mammon? Certainly. Overtly in the service of Satan? Dodgy. |
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| MercuryCrest The Severed Head Of A
Great Old One Joined: 24 Mar 2003 Total posts: 753 Location: Floating down the Ganges Age: 33 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 15-03-2013 17:24 Post subject: |
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The larger issue I see here is the self-reinforcing idea that only those who "open their eyes" can see this Satanism in the media.
All Kais has to do is say (as he did above for me) that we are blind and presto! He's proven his point, reinforced his own way of thinking, and dealt a blow to his critics, all without having to show proof or any line of (serious) reasoning.
Even if someone claimed to have their eyes open, unless they see exactly the same thing Kais sees (or what he thinks others should see), he can just claim, again, that they don't really see.
Masturbatory logic if I've ever heard it. |
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| sherbetbizarre Great Old One Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Total posts: 1418 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 02-08-2013 01:04 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | A gem from 1984: an occult panic documentary about how all the best 80s toys and cartoons are Satanic.
This terrible blasphemy is one of the cornerstones of this journalistic expose, Turmoil in the Toybox. It's from 1984, when the United States of America was in the middle of an inexplicable Satanic/occult panic. From heavy metal records to ritual child abuse to occult toys, the fundies of the day were getting their panties in a twist about black magic and Satan and the mainstream media, for some fucking reason, went along with it.
Phil Philips, author of the book on which this documentary is based, leads a discussion about the perils of modern toys, including just about every single 80s toy or cartoon you have ever liked. This extraordinary nugget of VHS madness takes down everything, from Masters of the Universe (The Snake Mountain playset allows you to turn your voice into that of an 'occult hero') to Scooby-Doo to The Smurfs.
Some highlights:
- 39 minutes there's a discussion of how Thundercats is tied into Hinduism and ancient Pagan symbolism. The Eye of Thundera, it turns out, teaches children about the third eye. They talk to the dead, and their martial arts are... I don't know, tied in to Eastern stuff somehow.
- 50 minutes in we get to Dungeons & Dragons. They have a field day.
- 59 minutes they get really upset about Sectaurs, because of some shit from the Book of Revelation.
- 1:02 is where it gets really great. Star Wars is Satanic because The Force is how witches refer to the power they received from Satan. Darth Vader, it turns out, looks almost exactly like the Norse god Odin (?) and Yoda is a Zen master, which is bad because it's Not Jesus.
- 1:03:28 we get to ET: The Extra Terrestrial, which is a secret occult movie thanks to the levitation, psychic healing and mental telepathy on display.
- 1:12 we get the truth about The Smurfs. They're blue with black lips.... just like dead things. And they're an all-male community, except for Smurfette, who is transgendered. They're undead homosexuals, basically.
There's more, including an expose of the Care Bear Stare, the occult aspects of Rainbow Brite cereal and the shocking truth about Wonder Woman's relationship with demons. |
http://badassdigest.com/2013/07/31/star-wars-is-satanic-et-is-occult-and-the-smurfs-are-undead-gays/ |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Total posts: 9109 Location: Not far from Bedford Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 02-08-2013 12:34 Post subject: |
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Yeah. All toys and programmes for kids are truly evil.  |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 02-08-2013 16:27 Post subject: |
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| I'm just glad there's no fantasy content in The Bible. |
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| Kondoru Unfeathered Biped Joined: 05 Dec 2003 Total posts: 5788 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 02-08-2013 19:45 Post subject: |
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| What a pity they had little anime in those days... |
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| OneWingedBird Great Old One Joined: 19 Nov 2012 Total posts: 542 Location: Attice of blinkey lights Age: 44 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 05-08-2013 19:35 Post subject: |
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Now what I couldn't do with a small working time machine prototype and a box set of Urotsukidoji.  |
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