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PostPosted: 01-05-2013 15:51    Post subject: Airliner 'had narrow miss with UFO' Reply with quote

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A passenger aircraft had a narrow miss with an unidentified object over Glasgow, a report has revealed.

The Airbus A320 was making its final approach to Glasgow Airport on 2 December when an object passed about 300ft underneath it.

The pilot of the aircraft said the risk of collision with the object, which did not show up on radar, had been "high".

BBC News Glasgow and West Scotland

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Cockpit transcript
The Airprox report included a transcript of the conversation that took place between the aircraft and the controller at 12:55:

A320: "Glasgow Approach [A320 C/S]"

EGPF: "[A320 C/S] pass your message"

A320: "Er yeah we just had something pass underneath us quite close [1255:30] and nothing on TCAS have you got anything on in our area"

EGPF: "Er negative er we've got nothing on er radar and we're n- not talking to any traffic either"

A320: "Er not quite sure what it was but it definitely er quite large [1255:40] and it's blue and yellow"

EGPF: "OK that's understood er do you have a an estimate for the height"

A320: "Maybe er [1255:50] yeah we were probably about erm four hundred to five hundred feet above it so it's probably about three and a half thousand feet."
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PostPosted: 01-05-2013 17:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, name something coloured blue and yellow that it could possibly be. A light aircraft perhaps? So why didn't it show up on radar?
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PostPosted: 07-05-2013 10:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, name something coloured blue and yellow that it could possibly be. A light aircraft perhaps? So why didn't it show up on radar?


Could be a microlight, they have small signatures that can be filtered out as noise by radar. Discussion on the topic here:

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PostPosted: 24-12-2013 11:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Terrified Airline Pilot DUCKS As He Sees UFO Heading Straight To Cockpit : Report

We reported earlier this year that "Glasgow Airport UFO : Airliner 'Had Narrow Miss With UFO' - Cockpit Transcript."

Now in another disturbing development, a terrified airline pilot ducked to avoid a UFO he feared was going to smash into his plane at 34,000ft.

The captain of the packed Airbus A320 spotted the silver object heading straight for the cockpit as his plane flew above Berkshire.

He was looking out of the left window a split second before the bizarre incident.

A safety report said: “As he turned to look ahead, he perceived an object travelling towards them at what appeared to be the same level, slightly above the flight deck windscreen.

“Having very little time to focus, he was under the apprehension that they were on a collision course with no time to react.

“His immediate reaction was to duck to the right and reach over to alert the first officer; there was no time to talk to alert him.”

The stunned captain blurted out: “Did you see that?”

But his bemused deputy had not seen the UFO and replied: “See what?”

The pilot’s behaviour made him fear there was a fault with their plane.

“The first officer turned and looked at him thinking some was wrong with the aircraft,” the report revealed.

The captain was so spooked by the incident in July that he reported the sighting to safety watchdogs at the UK Airprox Board (page 88 ), which investigates near-misses in British airspace.

He told experts he saw a flying object shaped like a cigar or rugby ball, which was “bright silver, metallic”.

The “near-miss” happened 20 miles west of Heathrow Airport, according to a report published last week.

An official probe said: “The pilot was subjected to a powerful impression of immediate danger caused by his perception of an object closing rapidly on his aircraft.”

But investigators, who did not reveal which airline was involved, failed to find any unidentified aircraft in the area at the time.

They added: “It wasn’t possible to trace the object or determine the likely cause of the sighting.”

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2013/12/airline-pilot-ufo-sighting-video-ufo-heading-cockpit.html
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PostPosted: 24-12-2013 11:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do pilots and the controllers always say "Er"? even when they're announcing the flight. "Er, thank you for flying with er, BS Airways, er, the flight should arrive er, at about 8.30 er."
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PostPosted: 24-12-2013 12:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do pilots and the controllers always say "Er"? even when they're announcing the flight. "Er, thank you for flying with er, BS Airways, er, the flight should arrive er, at about 8.30 er."


Showing that they are servants of Tge Queen. ER = Elizabeth Regina.
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PostPosted: 26-12-2013 20:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris138 wrote:
Why do pilots and the controllers always say "Er"? even when they're announcing the flight. "Er, thank you for flying with er, BS Airways, er, the flight should arrive er, at about 8.30 er."


English may not be their first language.
At my last company, the boss (who was Israeli) had a habit of saying 'errr...' loudly every now and again, both because he was looking for the right words and because he wanted to control the conversation. The 'errr...' was inserted to stop other people interjecting.
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PostPosted: 26-12-2013 20:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

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English may not be their first language.

Possibly not. But English is the international langauge for aviation.
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English is Now the Mandated International Language of Aviation

The International Civil Aviation Organisation has decreed that from 1 January 2008 all Air Traffic Controllers and Flight Crew Members engaged in or in contact with international flights must be proficient in the English language as a general spoken medium and not simply have a proficiency in standard ICAO Radio Telephony Phraseology.

http://www.aviation-esl.com/ICAO_English.htm


(And when the EU also makes English the international language, the happier I shall be! Twisted Evil )
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PostPosted: 27-12-2013 04:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another possibility is that, as a highly trained pilot, they may not necessarily be comfortable making these announcements. Or having trouble remembering the lines, or which flight number it is, or many other details that change from flight to flight.
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PostPosted: 29-12-2013 09:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

gncxx wrote:
So, name something coloured blue and yellow that it could possibly be. A light aircraft perhaps? So why didn't it show up on radar?


Banana Man?
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PostPosted: 06-01-2014 01:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

More on the Airbus A320 story:
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Jet in 'near miss' with UFO

An airline pilot reports a close encounter with a UFO near Heathrow Airport which has baffled the aviation authorities

It was certainly a close encounter, but with precisely what remains a mystery.
An airline pilot has reported a near miss in which a “rugby ball”-shaped UFO passed within a few feet of his passenger jet while flying near Heathrow Airport.

The captain told the aviation authorities who have investigated the incident that he was certain the object was going to crash into his aircraft and ducked as it headed towards him.

The investigation has been unable to establish any earthly identity for the mysterious craft, which left the aircrew with no time to take evasive action.

The incident occurred while the A320 Airbus was cruising at 34,000ft, around 20 miles west of the airport, over the Berkshire countryside.

The captain spotted the object travelling towards the jet out of a left hand side, cockpit window, apparently heading directly for it.

A report into the incident states: “He was under the apprehension that they were on collision course with no time to react. His immediate reaction was to duck to the right and reach over to alert the FO (First Officer); there was no time to talk to alert him.”

It adds: “The Captain was fully expecting to experience some kind of impact with a conflicting aircraft.”

He told investigators he believes the object passes “within a few feet” above the jet.

He described it as being “cigar/rugby ball like” in shape, bright silver and apparently “metallic” in construction.

Once he had composed himself, he checked the aircraft’s instruments and contacted air traffic controllers to report the incident. However, there was no sign of the mystery craft.

The incident was investigated by the UK Airprox Board, which studies “near misses” involving aircraft in British airspace.

It checked data recordings to establish what other aircraft were in the area at the time, but eliminated them all from its quest to find out what had been responsible. It also ruled out meteorological balloons, after checking none were released in the vicinity. Toy balloons were also discounted, as they are not large enough to reach such heights. Military radar operators were also contacted but were unable to trace the reported object.

The sighting occurred in daylight, at around. 6.35pm on July 13. It has only emerged now, following publication of the report, which concluded it was “not possible to trace the object or determine the likely cause of the sighting”.

The report does not name the airline or flight involved. Even though it describes the aircraft as being "just to the west of Heathrow", aviation experts believe that at such an altitude it would be unlikely to have taken off from, or be preparing to land at, the west London airport.

Instead, the A320, which is popular with many carriers, among them British Airways and Virgin, is likely to have been travelling between a regional airport elsewhere in the UK, and another on the Continent. The aircraft typically carry about 150 passengers.

The Ministry of Defence closed its UFO desk in December 2009, along with its hotline for reporting such sightings. Following that change, the Civil Aviation Authority took the decision that it would continue to look into such reports, from aircrew and air traffic controllers, because they could have implications for “flight safety”.

In 2012, the head of the National Air Traffic Control Services admitted staff detected around one unexplained flying object every month.

Dr David Clarke, a Sheffield Hallam academic and the UFO consultant for the National Archives, said: “The aviation authorities obviously think this is something they should continue to look into and if you are a regular air traveller, you are likely to agree.”

Dr Clarke, a sceptic on UFO issues, said: “This latest sighting is interesting, because it is detailed and clear. These pilots don’t file these reports for something and nothing. There was obviously something there.”

Chris Yates, an aviation consultant, said: “Although we assume when these things happen, a UFO is responsible, there is usually an explanation that materialises at some point.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/10551201/Jet-in-near-miss-with-UFO.html
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PostPosted: 06-01-2014 06:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

doesnt onboard flight data include video recording ? youd think it would these days
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PostPosted: 06-01-2014 22:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

HenryFort wrote:
doesnt onboard flight data include video recording ? youd think it would these days


I don't think it does actually - but it is a god question.
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PostPosted: 06-01-2014 22:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

HenryFort wrote:
doesnt onboard flight data include video recording ? youd think it would these days


If it does, it probably only records what the pilots are doing - i.e. the camera isn't pointing outwards.
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PostPosted: 06-01-2014 22:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mythopoeika wrote:
HenryFort wrote:
doesnt onboard flight data include video recording ? youd think it would these days

If it does, it probably only records what the pilots are doing - i.e. the camera isn't pointing outwards.

I think, since the Paris Concorde crash, planes now have cameras pointed at the engines, which can't normally be seen from the cockpit.

But videocameras are so relatively cheap nowadays, a plane could have dozens, looking everywhichway!
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