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| Anonymous |
 Posted: 03-09-2002 01:08 Post subject: Jimmy Hoffa |
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CNN ran a story today on the disappearance of former Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa in 1975, who was almost certainly whacked by his Mafia sponsors. However, in the spirit of a good mystery, this article looks at some of the theories behind his disappearance, mainly to do with how he was disposed of rather than whether he's truly dead or not.
Oddly enough, Hoffa's son is the current boss of the Teamsters, and was invited to the State of the Union address by Dubya.
Then there's the side issue of methods of Mafia disposal. Heard some pretty gruesome tales about meathooks and recta. Any other imaginative ways of settling scores and turf battles?
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 03-09-2002 05:52 Post subject: |
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it's fortean enough that they mention Hoffa. it's like "yeah...so?"
why all the interest in him all of the sudden?
i know the New Orleans mafia dumps their bodies in this swamp east of town...where a lot of gators are.
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 04-09-2002 04:07 Post subject: |
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It's a kind of morbid curiosity if anything. We want the details. I was particularly intrigued by some of the imaginative speculation about how he was disposed of (rather than whether or not he was dead). It also ties up neatly with the "Entombed in motorway concrete" thread, as a suggested end, down to theories about sausage meat and inhabiting an oil drum in a landfill site. And I haven't even got to the sex-change theory yet.
He was also a prominent figure during the Kennedy era, a time filled with high profile knock-offs only this one has an air of even more mystery and gruesomeness about it than the others. |
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Jerry_B Great Old One Joined: 15 Apr 2002 Total posts: 8265 |
| Posted: 04-09-2002 10:17 Post subject: |
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I remember reading in 'Dark White' that one of Budd Hopkin's abductees claimed to have heard a man shout indignantly 'I'm Jimmy Hoffa!' whilst she was on board a UFO with other abductees  |
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| MrRING Android Futureman Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Total posts: 4195 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 16-07-2003 23:01 Post subject: They still can't find Jimmy Hoffa |
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They should know by now that he's in an extended tryst with Judge Crater and Amelia Earhart in their love-shack bungalow outside Las Vegas.... 
from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20030716/ap_on_re_us/hoffa_investigation_11
Mich. Officials Dig for Hoffa Evidence
HAMPTON TOWNSHIP, Mich. - Nearly 28 years after ex-Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa disappeared in the Detroit area, law enforcement officials dug into the ground Wednesday outside a home nearly 100 miles away, a prosecutor said.
Authorities from Oakland County obtained a search warrant Tuesday and were looking for evidence including a briefcase in Hampton Township, prosecutor David Gorcyca said. Authorities say a convicted murderer who helped police find the body of another long-vanished man earlier this year now claims Hoffa is buried in the yard.
The search warrant was executed Wednesday morning, but authorities ran into complications "because of an above-ground pool over the dig site," Gorcyca said. They were still digging and draining the pool in the early afternoon.
"We're skeptical, but feel we need to check it out," Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard told the Detroit Free Press from the home's back yard.
Gorcyca declined to describe what may be in the briefcase or how it may be connected to Hoffa's disappearance, saying a judge signed an order suppressing that information when he approved the search warrant.
Hoffa, 62, vanished on the afternoon of July 30, 1975, from a parking lot in a Detroit suburb in Oakland County. Hampton Township is located a few miles northeast of Bay City, near Michigan's Thumb.
Authorities said the informant, an inmate named Richard Powell who is imprisoned for killing his landlady in 1982, led a team to the spot. He lived in the home in the 1970s.
Bay County Undersheriff Joel Luethjohann said Powell told investigators in March that he buried the body of a missing Bay City man in the crawl space beneath the same home.
Acting on that information, state police investigators found the body of Robert A. Woods, who had been missing for nearly 30 years.
Powell had long claimed a role in the Hoffa case, but authorities had not taken him seriously.
He told The Bay City Times in a 1984 prison interview that in the 1970s he was involved with gangsters in an auto theft ring and was assigned to drive a motor home containing a body to northern Michigan. He said someone else supposedly came to dispose of the body, which was wrapped in a rug.
Powell changed the story earlier this year, telling officers that Hoffa's body was buried at his former home, where the above-ground pool now sits. Authorities decided to follow up on the lead in part because Powell's claim about Woods' body had proven true.
At the time he vanished, Hoffa was on his way to a meeting with Anthony Provenzano, a New Jersey Teamsters boss, and Anthony Giacalone, a Detroit Mafia captain.
Investigators believe Provenzano and Giacalone had Hoffa killed to prevent him from regaining the union presidency after he served time in federal prison for jury tampering.
Hoffa took charge of the Teamsters in 1957. He earned the loyalty of his members with contracts that improved their standard of living dramatically. It was under Hoffa that the Teamsters won their first national trucking contract.
He also earned the enmity of Robert F. Kennedy, who accused him of corruption and mob connections, first as counsel to a congressional committee investigating the unions, then as attorney general in his brother's Cabinet.
In 1967, Hoffa went to jail, sentenced to 13 years for jury tampering and fraud, but he refused to give up the Teamsters presidency. After he quit the job in 1971, then-President Nixon pardoned him, and he began agitating to get his job back.
Last August, Gorcyca had said no state criminal charges would be filed and only a deathbed confession or cooperation of a witness would solve the mystery.
Hoffa's son James Jr. is now the Teamsters president. Messages left with him and his sister, Barbara Crancer, of suburban St. Louis, were not immediately returned. |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 25-07-2003 17:46 Post subject: |
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| according to one report, he's propping up a pillar in the Yankees baseball stadium.... |
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| lopaka3 Great Old One Joined: 17 Sep 2001 Total posts: 2153 Location: Near the corner of a Big Continent Gender: Male |
| Posted: 25-07-2003 18:12 Post subject: |
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| Actually I think it was that he's under Giants Stadium (American football) in the New York area. Or in a swamp. Or was made into hubcaps. Or fenders. There are a number of well-known 'without a trace' people: Hoffa, Earhart, Crater, Lord Lucan, Michael Rockefeller, Helen Brach (heiress to the candy fortune), that guy from Manic St. Preachers, Ambrose Beirce, etc. And a couple of vanished, then turned up with extremely implausible stories types: Agatha Christie and American evangelist Aimee Semple McPherson come to mind. But in almost every case it seems it's reasonably certain what happened to them, just not the specifics. Any instances of a well-known person who disappeared for which there is no generally accepted explanation as to their fate? |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
Joined: 18 Aug 2002 Total posts: 19943 Location: Mongo Age: 42 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 15-02-2005 03:18 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | FBI says DNA analysis in Hoffa case completed; Gorcyca puzzled
Saturday, February 12, 2005
By SARAH KARUSH
ASSOCIATED PRESS
DETROIT -- The FBI said it has completed a DNA analysis of eight-month-old evidence that could help solve the mystery of the disappearance of Teamsters leader Jimmy Hoffa, but police and prosecutors investigating the case said they had not seen a report.
The FBI on Friday would not release details of the analysis. The agency said a report should have been issued to the police department of Oakland County's Bloomfield Township, which collected the evidence.
Police and county prosecutors said they were not even aware that the analysis had been completed. Oakland County Prosecutor David Gorcyca told the Associated Press he was "flabbergasted" that the FBI claimed to have forwarded a report.
"I've never seen it. If I had seen it, the whole world would've seen it," he said, noting the intense national interest in the case.
Gorcyca said he spoke Friday night with Bloomfield Township Police Chief Jeff Werner, who said it was the first he had heard about the report.
"He's the chief of police, I think he would have known about it," Gorcyca said. He said Werner also spoke with the detective in charge of the case, who also knew nothing of the report.
Gorcyca had told the Associated Press earlier in the day that he was frustrated that the DNA analysis was not complete.
FBI Special Agent Ann Todd said Friday evening that a report had been issued a little more than six months from the time the evidence was received by an FBI laboratory. She said the report would have been issued to the "submitting agency."
FBI spokeswoman Dawn Clenney in Detroit said the submitting agency would have been the Bloomfield Township Police Department. Clenney would not say whether the Detroit FBI office had the report or whether it would have been charged with giving it to the police department.
Hoffa last was seen on July 30, 1975, at the Machus Red Fox restaurant in Bloomfield Township.
Last May, authorities removed sections of floorboards from a Detroit house where Delaware Teamsters official and one-time Hoffa ally Frank Sheeran said he shot Hoffa to death. Sheeran died in 2003 at age 83 and his claim was detailed in a book published months later. Fox News Channel claimed that its own investigation had turned up blood on the floor of the house.
The floorboards were to be analyzed for the presences of human blood at the FBI's lab in Quantico, Va. If any blood was found, experts would compare it to Hoffa's DNA.
Gorcyca said the floorboards were given to the FBI to analyze because the agency has been involved in the investigation of Hoffa's disappearance from the beginning. He said the FBI said it would put the matter on a fast track.
Todd, a spokeswoman for the lab, said Friday evening that the submitted evidence required "hundreds of examinations due to the age, condition and nature of the evidence received" and was "extraordinarily time consuming."
"Upon completion of the examinations, a report of the laboratory's findings was issued within approximately six months from the time the evidence was received by the FBI lab," Todd said. She would not provide details about the report's findings.
Gorcyca conceded that he did not have high expectations that the floorboards would test positive for Hoffa's DNA.
However, getting a definitive answer still is important, Gorcyca said, adding that he was concerned that the longer the investigation is delayed, the less likely it is that witnesses will be alive.
"Every day that goes by we have trepidations that individuals integral to this case could pass," Gorcyca said.
Gorcyca also said that his hope to use the federal grand jury system to help solve the case did not pan out.
Gorcyca said in June that he planned to ask federal prosecutors about using a grand jury to compel testimony from -- and grant immunity to -- reluctant witnesses.
"I broached it with the FBI and the U.S. attorney's office," he said Friday. "They said that unless there's something new, they didn't think it would be beneficial." |
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| Dessie32 Yeti Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Total posts: 80 Location: Essex, England Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 16-02-2005 18:11 Post subject: |
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He was wacked by the mob. Its not clear what particular family. But I think some 'made' guy confessed, not that long ago. He had been dealing with the mafia for years. Reasons for his execution vary: He may have been about to expose family involvement in union activity; double crossing the mob; or it may have been that he ran off the mouth or showed disrespect in some other way to a top guy.
Films and books about him have tried to make him out to be some sort of Robin Hood type. But he was just in it all for himself. The film that was made with Jack Nickolson was I think exposed as total bunk. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
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| Posted: 18-05-2006 15:06 Post subject: |
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'New lead' in Hoffa disappearance
FBI agents are searching a farm near the city of Detroit after a lead on the disappearance of union boss Jimmy Hoffa in 1975, reports say.
Hoffa, who led the powerful Teamsters union, disappeared in July that year - allegedly after meeting a mafia boss. His body has never been found.
He was last seen at a restaurant some 20 miles (32km) from the farm.
Rumours have persisted that Hoffa was murdered by the mafia to prevent him regaining control of the union.
Investigators believe Hoffa, who led the Teamsters from 1957 to 1967, may have been the victim of an underground feud.
He is reported to have fallen out with several organised crime figures after he was convicted of jury tampering and fraud in 1967.
After his release from prison in 1971, and shortly before his disappearance, Hoffa had been trying to regain control of the Teamsters.
On the day he disappeared, he was supposed to be meeting reputed Mafia figure Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone.
Hoffa was last seen in the car park of the restaurant.
One notable rumour is that Hoffa's remains were buried in the foundations of the Giants football stadium near New York.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/4993016.stm
Published: 2006/05/18 10:49:51 GMT
© BBC MMVI
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| MaxMolyneux Photography Ninja Of The Night!
Great Old One Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Total posts: 1651 Location: Liverpool England United Kingdom Age: 27 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 26-05-2006 00:33 Post subject: Jimmy Hoffa |
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New article on another search for him in a Barn.
| Quote: | NBC News and news services
Updated: 2:34 p.m. ET May 25, 2006
MILFORD TOWNSHIP, Mich. - Investigators digging up a Michigan farm as part of the FBI’s search for the remains of former Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa have made a discovery underneath a barn on the property, NBC News reported Thursday.
Forensic experts and cadaver dogs were brought to the scene, according to local affiliate WDIV TV.
Detroit FBI agents would not comment on what had been found at the horse farm, which was once owned by a Hoffa associate and is located not far from where the former Teamsters chief vanished in 1975.
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Barn razed in search
On Wednesday, crews spent about three hours gobbling up the barn with a 75,000-pound excavating machine. The investigators had begun removing the 200-square-foot concrete floor of the barn on Thursday when they found something, WDIV reported.
The barn’s destruction was the most dramatic moment in the week since dozens of FBI agents descended on the horse farm 30 miles from Detroit.
No trace of Hoffa has ever been found, and no one has ever been charged in the case.
Dawn Clenney, a spokeswoman for the FBI in Detroit, said on Wednesday nothing significant has been found so far.
Donald Shouse of nearby Highland Township, who has done business on the farm for three decades, said the structure was built sometime in the 1970s and was the oldest barn on the site.
Officials have said the search, which began May 17 at the Hidden Dreams Farm in Milford Township, would last a couple of weeks and involve cadaver dogs, demolition experts, archaeologists and anthropologists.
A government investigator said last week that Donovan Wells, who lived on the land at the time, was the one who gave the FBI the tip that has sparked the intense effort to solve a legendary mystery.
Suspicious activity alleged
Wells’ lawyer, Joseph J. Fabrizio, said that his client told the FBI in 1976 that he saw suspicious activity on the farm around the time of Hoffa’s disappearance.
The investigator said that Wells wasn’t that forthcoming 30 years ago and that he recently passed a polygraph exam. The investigator is familiar with the current dig and spoke on condition of anonymity because some of his information comes from records that have been ordered sealed by a federal judge.
Another former lawyer for Wells, James Elsman, said Wells said he actually saw a grave being dug with a backhoe. He claims that based on what Wells told him in 1976, he could pinpoint the location.
Hoffa last was seen on a night he was scheduled to have dinner at a restaurant about 20 miles from the farm. He was supposed to meet with a New Jersey Teamsters boss and a Detroit Mafia captain, both now dead.
Over the years, Hoffa’s disappearance spawned endless theories — that he was entombed in concrete at Giants Stadium in the New Jersey Meadowlands; that he was ground up and thrown to the fishes in a Florida swamp; that he was obliterated in a mob-owned fat-rendering plant that has since burned down. |
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12957019/
They'll probably never find him like though.
I thought the conreate myth was being buried in roads though, not Giants staduim.
Think there is a road in Italy that was built by the mob and the government closed it down because they were making no money from it and two government members dissapeared and they thought they might of been buried in the deserted road. |
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| painy2 Thar she blows
Great Old One Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Total posts: 694 Location: At my PC Age: 82 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 27-05-2006 08:14 Post subject: |
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| I cant believe they have wasted 30 years on him. |
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| MaxMolyneux Photography Ninja Of The Night!
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| Posted: 27-05-2006 12:57 Post subject: |
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| Why havent they closed the case like any other case? |
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| Spookdaddy Cuckoo Joined: 24 May 2006 Total posts: 3834 Location: Midwich Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 27-05-2006 14:22 Post subject: |
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| MaxMolyneux wrote: | | Why havent they closed the case like any other case? |
Well, not having been solved, I assume its technically an ongoing misper/ possible murder case. Some countries do have a statute of limitations on murder cases but, IIRC, not the US - unsolved cases may go "cold" and get mothballed but they don't get closed simply because they've passed a certain time limit.
The author Philip Gourevitch, better known for his book We Wish to Inform You that Tomorrow We Will be Killed With Our Families - Stories From Rwanda also wrote A Cold Case about the solving of a 27 year old murder and the conviction of a Seventy year old man. |
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| Kondoru Unfeathered Biped Joined: 05 Dec 2003 Total posts: 5719 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 27-05-2006 18:00 Post subject: |
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A friend is following this...its local to him.
He says the media are having a cynical ball.
I said if it was a pro job the body would have been disposed of properly. |
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