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| Anonymous |
Posted: 19-06-2004 23:16 Post subject: Re: Personal Experience Can Be Very Convincing |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Resologist
When you least expect it, ESP may manifest itself in peculiar ways, without the benefit of a controlled experiment. |
Yes, very odd and statistically weird things DO happen randomly in the wild. That is the nature of random things.
For instance, if someone went into a lab and said they could make a prediction with odds of 14 million to one, that would be an amazing feat. If they could do it on demand, people would really sit up and notice.
But people do this almost every week when they win the lottery. It's not super powers. It's just chance. |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 19-06-2004 23:19 Post subject: |
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| PintQuaff wrote: |
TSO what makes one veiw right and the other wrong i do not know, unless perhaps certain individuals posses some "mistic" (probably the wrong term really) ability to know the truth about whats is wrong and right. |
If research is published in respected journals (not on an entertainment channel like Discovery), then it has a better chance of being taken seriously. Just because someone works in a University, that does not mean their research is flawless. |
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Posted: 19-06-2004 23:36 Post subject: research is published in respected journals , perhaps? |
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| TheBoyPaj wrote: |
If research is published in respected journals (not on an entertainment channel like Discovery), then it has a better chance of being taken seriously. Just because someone works in a University, that does not mean their research is flawless. | 'Nature', perhaps?
The 'Amazing Randi's' respected journal of choice!
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 20-06-2004 11:53 Post subject: Personal Experience Can Be Very Convincing |
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Altho TheBoyPaj notes that "very odd and statistically weird things do happen randomly in the wild," I'd indicate that neither of my personal experiences should be dismissed as the chance occurrence of random events. I do not telephone people, at random, to find out why they are very distressed, nor do I see, at random, cars failing to stop at intersections, before they have become visible.
I've known many people who purchase lottery tickets and win small prizes, having correctly guessed a few of the numbers selected in a future draw; but, all of them admit that their expectations of winning are a matter of "luck." None, that I know of, have claimed to "know" that a certain set of numbers would be among those selected in the draw.
I expect letters, phone calls, and, now, e-mails, from distant people; I drive defensively, knowing that many drivers may run thru a red light or stop sign; and, I never buy lottery tickets, because I understand my statistical chance of winning.
I can offer no proof of telepathic nor precognitive abilities, but, having had two distinct experiences with these phenomena, I can offer some observations. The telepathic experience was non-verbal and involved none of the ordinary senses. My train of thought was interrupted, quite abruptly by the strong impression that a specific person, whom I was close to, was in distress and needed to talk to me. There were no visual nor auditory impressions, as are reported with crisis apparitions. I had no expectation of any crisis, and I was clearly on the receiving end of this telepathic exchange. The distance between that person and myself was some three thousand miles, but, the impression was as intense and abrupt as if someone had yelled from a step or two behind me to get my attention. In the precognitive experience, I was driving down a hill, with the right-of-way past several intersections with stop signs. Looking ahead, I foresaw a car pass thru an intersection about two blocks away, running past a stop sign. The impression was that of a waking dream, there was no auditory impression; and, there was no impression of a collision occurring, but there was a clear impression that this would happen as I reached that specific intersection at the speed that I was travelling. There were no auditory nor visual clues that any traffic was approaching, when I sensed this vision, but I slowed down immediately. A car ran thru the intersection, as foreseen, at roughly the same time that I would have been in the intersection, if I had not slowed down; this car was not visible until a few seconds before it arrived at that intersection; and, I expect that it would have struck my car, as happened many years later when a taxi ran a stop sign, without any warning or expectations.
Now, I have strong doubts about the likelihood of success in telepathy experiments conducted in laboratory settings between strangers, who try to communicate with visual or auditory messages and without any real clue as to how it is possible to perform such a task. It would appear to be a very selective means of communicating between people, if I could receive a strong impression thousands of miles away, (yet, apparently, not be sensed by anyone else in the intervening space). And, I have a special interest in the "seriality" of time, (as suggest by John William Dunne, in his "An Experiment with Time," and by Paul Kammerer, in his "Das Gesetz der Serie"). I think that, while unlikely random events may be expected to occur by chance or "luck," such as a golfer getting a "hole-in-one," it may also be possible, before the ball is struck, for someone to "foresee" the event beyond their hopeful expectations and coincidence. I've only had the "good fortune" to experience these things and to recognize them for what they were when it happened. |
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pintquaff Honest! i do belive????? Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Total posts: 244 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 22-06-2004 19:27 Post subject: |
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| TheBoyPaj wrote: |
If research is published in respected journals (not on an entertainment channel like Discovery), then it has a better chance of being taken seriously. Just because someone works in a University, that does not mean their research is flawless. |
And like wise, just because a scientest who works for the goverment e.c.t. gets work published in a magazine how does that make his work flawless. That kind of mag has small circulation compared to televised media.
(bad example govermental scientist, dodgyist of the lot)
We place so much faith in people,groups, and organisations and belive everything we are told. Well how is it that one year diesl fumes are carsnergenic and the next totaly fine???
So who do we belive in, a faceless stranger, or our own experiences? Put like that its an easy choice... |
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Leaferne Defrost indoors
Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Total posts: 4785 Location: Graceland, mama Age: 43 Gender: Female |
Posted: 22-05-2005 05:27 Post subject: |
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| PintQuaff wrote: | | TheBoyPaj wrote: |
If research is published in respected journals (not on an entertainment channel like Discovery), then it has a better chance of being taken seriously. Just because someone works in a University, that does not mean their research is flawless. |
And like wise, just because a scientest who works for the goverment e.c.t. gets work published in a magazine how does that make his work flawless. That kind of mag has small circulation compared to televised media.
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But articles for academic journals are peer-reviewed. Thus, if I wrote an article about some aspect of Stuart-era history and submitted it to a journal, it would be examined first by at least one other Stuart-era historian to make sure it passed muster: is it a worthwhile contribution to the field, is it valid, etc. A TV producer wants to attract eyeballs to screens; the editors of Past & Present (or Nature, The Lancet, whatever) want to publish valid, cutting-edge research (inasmuch as 17thc. history can be cutting-edge ). These are not the same areas of concern at all; the criteria are completely different. I've watched history programs on TLC, The Discovery Channel etc. and found myself shouting at the screen because they're just repeating ULs or "received wisdom" which does not reflect the historical reality as understood by historians, as opposed to the sometimes ULish nature of popular understanding, and these shows do seem to be getting better, I'll admit. (Still, it drives me crazy to hear things like "they burned witches in Salem and in England -- no they didn't, they were hanged, because it was considered a civil crime, not a canonical one) Yes, those mags have a small circulation, but that is because they are aimed at specialists -- other researchers. The really sexy/media-friendly stories will get picked up the newswires anyway; just check out the Science section of Google News.
I don't mean to sound elitist here; just pointing out that work produced by specialists for the edification of other boffins is no less valid for being less well-known. Not all scientists work [directly] for the government, although most do so indirectly through the way their work is funded...which also brings up the rather delicate question of academic freedom. But I'll leave that for another thread.  |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 30-05-2005 00:03 Post subject: |
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In my experience telepathy can present itself in many different ways. Sometimes you "see" things, sometimes you "feel" them (more like empathy really), and sometimes you literally hear them (from whispers and blurry sounds to clear and loud voices). I'm really interested on how small children cope or find out about telepathy. Perhaps some of the parents or those who found their abilities during their tender age can share some stories?
For instance, when I was yet not able to read or write I happened to experience telepathy in a very unpleasant manner. At the time I didn't know what it was, and it used to scare the heck out of me!!!! It took me about 4 or 5 years to finally realise what all was about. |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 17-06-2005 08:17 Post subject: Telepathy! |
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Yes it works Hi this is Steve and yes it is very strong in children because thier brains and tissue are very healthy and very clear because thier thoughts are not dirty and do not learn that until they get older and then it becomes cloudy . Everyday though i am an adult there are alot of times i meditate to keep my mind clear i use my telepathy to communicate to ones who have passed to the other side .Sincerely,Stevie10@peoplepc.com  |
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mah_magic watch carefully Joined: 08 Aug 2002 Total posts: 245 Location: Yorkshire Age: 46 Gender: Male |
Posted: 05-07-2005 12:03 Post subject: |
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here's a little esp / telepathy experiment.
Say the answers to the following out loud and as fast as possible.
9-2=?
8-1=?
2+5=?
3+4=?
6+1=?
4+3=?
Say the answers over and over in your head.
Now think of a vegitable! |
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mah_magic watch carefully Joined: 08 Aug 2002 Total posts: 245 Location: Yorkshire Age: 46 Gender: Male |
Posted: 05-07-2005 12:04 Post subject: |
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Are you thinking of a carrot
Quote this post to find out the answer |
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Leaferne Defrost indoors
Joined: 07 Feb 2004 Total posts: 4785 Location: Graceland, mama Age: 43 Gender: Female |
Posted: 05-07-2005 14:48 Post subject: |
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| mah wrote: | Are you thinking of a carrot
Quote this post to find out the answer |
Nope. Cabbage. |
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lemonpie3 Tart Lemontastic Joined: 29 Dec 2003 Total posts: 1125 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 05-07-2005 19:52 Post subject: |
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| Broccoli. |
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Semyaz Starshine is everything to me Great Old One Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Total posts: 213 Location: The centre of your world Gender: Male |
Posted: 07-07-2005 00:22 Post subject: |
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cucumber... and  |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 09-07-2005 03:44 Post subject: |
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| The problem is that people want to be right and do not (often) challenge or analyse their own experiences. If there is any telepathic ability it has not yet manifested in scientific experiment, nor do any of the forces of nature we understand (re: environment and what the brain produces) provide a carrier wave for it. Moreover, where are the neurological substrates to send and receive this info - and how likely is it that brain waves match between peoples and can be decoded? |
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mah_magic watch carefully Joined: 08 Aug 2002 Total posts: 245 Location: Yorkshire Age: 46 Gender: Male |
Posted: 09-07-2005 09:33 Post subject: |
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| Semyaz wrote: | cucumber... and  |
your having a laugh arn't you? |
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