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kais_1 Yeti Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Total posts: 89 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: 11-08-2013 16:32 Post subject: Can they really give you fake memories?? |
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Can they really give you fake memories??
I am asking this question because over the past 3 to 5 years my head has been filled with memories of things I have never done, memories of spaceships, ufos and all sorts....I have memories that I have lived my life over countless times and memories to go with each life....I know what I have done and what I haven't done...so where are these memories coming from?
I did read on the news about two weeks ago that they can give mice false memories....so maybe that what they've done to me...but why?
am I a risk to society...? who would want to give me all these memories and why?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23447600 |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 11-08-2013 17:02 Post subject: |
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| Probably just suffering from an overactive imagination. |
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| kais_1 Yeti Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Total posts: 89 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 11-08-2013 17:11 Post subject: |
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| I have so many memories of sitting in a chair and going through repeat brainwashing all to forget a name which the man in the space capsule had taught me |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
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| Posted: 11-08-2013 19:07 Post subject: |
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| I have a memory of being plied with drink so I would forget what was under Felix Denis' patio. |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13303 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 11-08-2013 19:23 Post subject: |
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| Kais1, maybe you should see a doctor. Seriously. |
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| EnolaGaia Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Total posts: 1197 Location: USA Gender: Male |
| Posted: 11-08-2013 19:39 Post subject: |
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The fact that these things seem to manifest themselves as memories doesn't mean they have to be memories of objective 'real world' experiences or pseudo-memories introduced by some third party. They could be memories of (e.g.) dreams, thoughtful fantasies, etc., that originated within your imagination.
I have quite clear memories of scenes, scenarios, specific characters, and entire plot lines from individual dreams and interrelated series of dreams I've had. Under recall, some of them are every bit as vivid and detailed as memories of 'objective' experiences from 'real life'. |
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| escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17709 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 3 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 12-08-2013 07:57 Post subject: |
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This is an old, but good article - 'We can implant entirely false memories'
| Quote: | You were abducted by aliens, you saw Bugs Bunny at Disneyland, and then you went up in a balloon. Didn't you? Laura Spinney on our remembrance of things past
Alan Alda had nothing against hard-boiled eggs until last spring. Then the actor, better known as Hawkeye from M*A*S*H, paid a visit to the University of California, Irvine. In his new guise as host of a science series on American TV, he was exploring the subject of memory. The researchers showed him round, and afterwards took him for a picnic in the park. By the time he came to leave, he had developed a dislike of hard-boiled eggs based on a memory of having made himself sick on them as a child - something that never happened.
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| cherrybomb Skating the thin crust
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| Posted: 12-08-2013 11:31 Post subject: |
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| Very interesting. kais_1 I think you should talk to a doctor, I've had Bipolar disorder since the age of 16 and it has, at times, given me what would appear to be false memories & hallucinations, in the past. |
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| Pietro_Mercurios Heuristically Challenged
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| Posted: 12-08-2013 11:34 Post subject: |
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| More excellent advice. |
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| kais_1 Yeti Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Total posts: 89 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 12-08-2013 13:57 Post subject: |
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| what help will a doctor be, ive been seeing them for years now...they are of no use, ,they are the one who have me in this state with all the false memories |
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| OneWingedBird Great Old One Joined: 19 Nov 2012 Total posts: 418 Location: Attice of blinkey lights Age: 44 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 13-08-2013 09:52 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | This is an old, but good article - 'We can implant entirely false memories' |
I would actually dispute whether they had actually implanted them or whether they simply made the person believe that they remembered those things.
That aside, most if not all people have some memories that clearly can't be true, there is an old thread around here somewhere where a lot of people say that they remember floating downstairs as a child, another where several people, including myself, remember quite definitely that Carmina Burana was on the soundtrack to The Omen.
| Quote: | | what help will a doctor be, ive been seeing them for years now...they are of no use, ,they are the one who have me in this state with all the false memories |
I had a therapist like that for years and they really are absolute grade A misery farmers.
In my opinion a lot of the damage is done by them repeatedly questioning your memory or claiming that things did not happen as you say they did, even though they are undermining memories of situations that they were not in and know nothing about.
Also, I tend to think that paradoxically, once you set the bar high enough for what constitutes a 'real' memory you end up with a situation where none of your memory makes the grade, so then it is all effectively 'false', and in a warped way, has equal value to anything that you remember perhaps daydreaming about or that someone else told you happened.
For me certainly it's been an important part of healing to hold my memory to an 'accurate enough' standard. Also, do not allow anyone, ever again, to tell you that your memories are wrong except for yourself, and then only when there is a very very good reason to. |
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| stuneville Administrator
Joined: 09 Mar 2002 Total posts: 10190 Location: FTMB HQ Age: 46 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 13-08-2013 09:54 Post subject: |
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So you think the doctors are the ones who have given you the false memories in the first place? Have the meds they've possibly given you made it worse (and as a result have you stopped taking them)?
Ok. Then I suggest you go to a different, neutral doctor, and get an independent second opinion. Ask to see a different GP at your practice from your usual one, or to take it a stage further, go to a Walk-In Centre and explain. Better yet, phone your local mental health crisis team and just talk to them. Whichever course of action you choose, I'm sure they'd investigate and help you to find a way through all of this.
One thing's for sure, though, the longer you leave it and just suffer in (professional) silence the longer it'll take you to navigate your way back out. Do it for your own sake. |
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