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The Independent. John Hall. 18 September 2013

A new thread on the discovery of six skeletons, three to a drowned Chevvie, in Foss Lake, Ohlahoma, USA. One trio from the late 1950s and one from 1970.

Posted: 18-09-2013 13:31 Post subject:

Theres a novel in it.

Posted: 18-09-2013 13:52 Post subject:

If you type Foss Lake, Ohlahoma, USA into google maps you can see that many roads go perpendicular straight to it. If someone didn't know the lake was there they would drive straight into it at speed.

Posted: 18-09-2013 13:57 Post subject:

There are too few details available so far. The video at:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/398311/28/Remains-of-six-people-found-in-cars-pulled-from-Okla-lake

... shows both cars sitting at one site, but there's no mention of how close they had lain on the lake bottom. The scene shows both vehicles sitting at the head of a boat ramp, but this may only indicate they were both brought out of the water at the same ramp.

I notice the front ends of both vehicles appear intact and undamaged - suggesting they didn't wreck and roll into the water (fly off a bridge, etc.). Other photos from other sites show the Camaro with its hood ripped up / open. I presume that damage was caused by attempts to open the car from the front.

If both cars had been lying on the bottom just off that boat ramp, it would suggest two tragic roll-offs a decade apart. Driving down a lane and seeing it's a boat ramp too late, or having a parking brake fail when parked on a boat ramp, have been common causes for accidents. I actually witnessed an instance of the latter (fortunately involving an unoccupied car) back in the 1960's at a TVA lake in Tennessee.

Posted: 18-09-2013 14:02 Post subject:

The account at this site:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20547251-cold-wet-cases-oklahoma-troopers-stumble-on-six-bodies-in-two-cars-at-bottom-of-lake?lite

... states the two cars were found sitting side by side in only about 12 feet of water.

So ... My initial guess is a pair of unrelated roll-offs from the boat ramp.

Posted: 18-09-2013 18:01 Post subject:

What a fascinating find. Reminds me of a lake somewhere in America that was drained a few years ago leaving a muddy bed littered with stolen cars and, I believe, more than one discarded firearm.

I'm wondering if the sonar equipment will now be deployed in other lakes and deep rivers in the hope of clearing up more mysteries.

There certainly is a novel in it. Stephen King perhaps, or Martin Cruz Smith. Cool

Posted: 18-09-2013 18:27 Post subject:

One of the local news sources mentioned the pair of cars had been found near 'the marina'.

If you go to Google Maps (enter 'Foss Lake', select the entry for Oklahoma or OK), and zoom in on the southeast corner of the lake, you'll find:

- A 'Marina Road' leading to a boat ramp that matches the scene of the news photos
- This 'marina' is situated in a little inlet or embayment that opens out into the larger lake
- Right next (east) of the marina inlet is an earthen dam with a road crossing its crest
- This road has a slight dog-leg curve at its southern end - with long straightaways north and south of it.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn both wrecks were the result of high speed on the straightaway and losing control at the little dog-leg curve.

Posted: 18-09-2013 18:34 Post subject:

On the other hand ...

If you zoom in on the marina inlet (Google Maps; satellite view) you'll see a small white boat inside the marina inlet, cruising southwest toward the boat ramp.

Zoom in all the way on that boat, then look south of it. There are two dark spots side by side near the point off the boat's port side.

The news stories claimed the cars were side by side in only 12 feet of water.

I wonder ... Shocked

Posted: 18-09-2013 18:55 Post subject:

Posted: 18-09-2013 19:33 Post subject:

I tend to doubt the 'parked in place; got flooded' scenario. If the lake level hasn't dropped as much as 12 feet in the last 40 years (to where the vehicles might have been made visible) I doubt it suddenly rose the 4 or 5 feet necessary to submerge either of the vehicles all at once.

I only noted those 2 dark spots because they're not far off the boat ramp to which the vehicles were dragged and because they're roughly the same size as the boat.

If those spots were in fact the submerged cars I'd suspect both accidentally drove or rolled off the boat ramp and drifted along pretty much the same courses before settling to the bottom.

Forty / fifty years is plenty long enough for things to have changed around the lakeshore. For all I know, the marina wasn't even there when the first accident occurred.

Posted: 18-09-2013 19:53 Post subject:

The updated local TV (KFOR) site has a slideshow of photos.

An aerial photo confirms the 'marina' is the one I referenced in my recent posts.

The caption on this one (#4) says, "Foss Lake boat ramp in marina where cars were found."

... which seems to indicate they were in fact found right there in the marina inlet.

Another thing I noticed ... The windows in the cars appear to have been rolled up, and the windshields and rear windows appear undamaged (at least until the investigators began tearing into them).

This would be consistent with occupants being unconscious, paralyzed by panic, or not knowing of the advisability of rolling down windows to equalize pressure on both sides of the doors ASAP so they can be opened.

This particular site's updates include a shift in timeframe for the older car's disappearance. Most reports originally claimed the older Chevy disappeared in the early 1960's. The KFOR site now claims it disappeared in 1969.

Here's the URL:

http://kfor.com/2013/09/17/officials-crews-pull-cars-from-foss-lake-possibly-connected-to-1970-cold-case/

Posted: 18-09-2013 19:58 Post subject:

This is one of the creepiest stories we've had for a while.

Brrrrrrr. Shocked

Posted: 18-09-2013 20:01 Post subject:

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Posted: 18-09-2013 20:39 Post subject:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh! Shocked

or

Blb-Buble-blub-bloob-gloob-blub-glub blurp

in this particular instance. Surprised