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Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Quote: | Is "John of God" a healer or a charlatan?
Feb. 10, 2005 -- For nearly 30 years, millions have visited the tiny village of Abadiania in remote, central Brazil to see a man some call the most powerful spiritual healer since Jesus and others call a charlatan.
"Primetime" followed the journeys of five people who sought out the man known as "João de Deus" — "John of God" — and took a closer look at the amazing claims that surround him.
The first traveler was Matthew Ireland, of Guilford, Vt. who was told he had a quick-growing inoperable brain tumor. He had undergone radiation and chemotherapy treatments. But almost two years after he was diagnosed, and after three visits with João, his tumor has shrunk.
Annabel Sclippa of Boulder, Colo., has not been able to walk since her spinal cord was nearly severed in a car crash in 1988. But after six visits with João, she says she can now feel sensation in her legs and can nearly balance herself standing between handrails — something her physiotherapist said was unusual with her type of injury.
Mary Hendrickson of Seattle was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome and powerfully debilitating allergies. She now feels much more energetic. "There is no way I would feel this way if something hadn't changed inside me," she told "Primetime Live." "Something's made a difference."
David Ames, of San Francisco, was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease in April 2003. His nervous system was slowly disintegrating, and faced almost certain death — only 10 percent of patients survive for 10 years or more. He has had no physical improvement, but he still says his spirit has gained from his visit.
And Lisa Melman of Johannesburg, South Africa, discovered a year ago that she had breast cancer. After visiting João, her doctor told her it had grown, although less aggressively than he expected it to and that she should still have surgery.
Incorporating the Wise
João is not a licensed doctor. Born in 1942, he is said to have been so rebellious he was thrown out of school after the second grade and could not keep a job.
Then, at 16, the story goes, the "entity" of King Solomon entered his body, and performed a miraculous healing. For years, João wandered Brazil offering healings. Twenty-seven years ago, he took residence in his casa in the plateaus and became known as "John of God." |
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Great Old One Joined: 23 Jul 2003 Total posts: 748 Location: Kusinagara Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 31-05-2005 08:54 Post subject: Another sportsman goes for "the power of prayer" |
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This segues nicely from my story on the previous page about the RSA Rugby Football player, this time it's association but the similarities are interesting.
Also, i like the thought of some die hard, godless weejies turning up at this bloke's ministry to see what all the fuss is about 
Football fans rush to hail the miracle of Marvin's knee
By David Lister, Scotland Correspondent
A SMALL church in Scotland has become a place of pilgrimage for Glasgow Rangers fans after the club’s central defender dedicated his team’s victory in the Scottish Premier League to the healing power of prayer.
Dozens of Rangers fans have turned up at the Zion Praise Centre in Kirkcaldy, Fife, to pay homage to Marvin Andrews, the centre-back who overcame a career-threatening injury to help the team to win the title ten days ago.
Andrews, a lay preacher at the church, claims that prayer has allowed him to recover from the injury without treatment. The “miracle of Marvin’s knee” has astounded doctors and been described by Alex McLeish, the Rangers manager, as “defying logic”.
But the Rev Joe Nwokoye, a Nigerian pastor who counts Andrews, 29, among his congregation, has his own explanation.
He said: “The fact that Marvin was able to continue playing, and that Rangers won the championship, was not because of the strength of Rangers. The fans know also that it was not because Celtic did not put out a strong team. It was because God decided to give it to Marvin because Marvin prayed.”
Mr Nwokoye, 46, who first came to Scotland 20 years ago, said that he was receiving up to 50 e-mails and letters a day from Rangers fans around the world. He said that up to ten fans at a time were turning up at the church’s Bible classes and meetings, in a room above a row of shops in the town.
“Our church is becoming a place of pilgrimage and I believe that this is just the beginning,” he said. “Last Sunday there were about twelve fans who came, and on Wednesday we had two or three. We’re talking about new faces, not regulars.”
He added: “Every day I hear from fans, who are saying that if God can do this for Marvin then maybe He can do it for them as well.”
The saga of Andrews’s injury began in March when he damaged his left knee playing against Dundee. The initial diagnosis was that he had suffered cruciate ligament damage and that he would not play again for four months. After he was sent to specialists, the prognosis grew worse. Despite the recommendation of one specialist that he undergo “restorative surgery followed by months of rest”, the player decided to refuse medical treatment, opting instead for prayer.
He said: “I respect the medical people at Rangers but I don’t want to have the operation. I know it is hard for people to understand but God has given me strength. He is in control of my life and I believe it will be fine.”
After just three weeks’ rest, the Trinidadian international astonished his team-mates and medical staff when he showed no ill-effects during his return against Celtic last month. Since then he has played in every Rangers match and now says that he is able to move again without pain.
Original story can be found on the Times website |
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| IvanVolle Great Old One Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Total posts: 274 Location: A.C.T Aust Age: 36 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 11-07-2008 06:26 Post subject: |
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Fast-rising preacher's 'healings' draw ire
"LAKELAND, Fla. — Todd Bentley believes God acts through him to cure cancer, heal the deaf and raise the dead.
So do hundreds of thousands of people who have visited his raucous revival meeting, now in its third month and broadcast nightly from a huge tent in the middle of Florida.
The 32-year-old Canadian, tattooed to the fingers and neck, puts a palm to the forehead of the sick, desperate and faithful. Bentley yells "Bam!" they collapse and he proclaims them cured. Attendees dance in the aisles, shout to Heaven, laugh, shake violently and cry.
Such revivals aren't new, but Bentley's stage show has become a phenomenon in the religious world — for both its pull and the criticism it has attracted — in just a few months.
He claims to have medical proof of mass healings, but has not produced widely convincing evidence."
"Critics circulate a YouTube video from Lakeland of him kneeing a supposed terminal stomach cancer patient in the abdomen, saying God told him to. In another clip, Bentley explains how he kicked an elderly lady in the face, choked a man, banged a crippled woman's legs on a platform, "leg-dropped" a pastor and hit a man so hard it dislodged a tooth."
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-07-11-revival-healing_N.htm |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17933 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 12-02-2009 15:47 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Preacher ad was 'irresponsible'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/south_east/7882007.stm
The ASA said the advert could discourage people seeking treatment
Vulnerable people with illnesses could have been misled by a preacher's leaflet, the advert watchdog has ruled.
Don Double was described as a "healing evangelist" on a poster and 15,000 leaflets distributed by the All Nations' Church in Cardiff.
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) said words like blindness, Aids, and cancer used on the leaflets was "irresponsible".
The church accepted the word "healing" should not have been used.
It said Mr Double would not describe himself as a "healing evangelist" but said staff only noticed the mistake after the posters and leaflets had been used.
The church also said there were far worse adverts in circulation and that no guarantees of success were given in the literature.
The ASA ruled the advert must not be used again in its current form, and warned the church not to include serious medical conditions in its publicity again.
"We considered that some potentially vulnerable readers, in particular those suffering from the listed conditions, might infer that Don Double could offer treatment for those conditions. We therefore concluded that the ad was irresponsible and likely to mislead."
It also said that the advert could discourage sufferers from seeking medical treatment.
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17933 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 07-10-2009 12:23 Post subject: |
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They got off with 6 months and they get to keep the other kids.
| Quote: | Jail terms for faith healing pair
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8294225.stm
Dale Neumann says he and his wife continue to trust in God
A US couple who prayed rather than seeking medical attention for their dying daughter have been sentenced to six months in jail.
Dale and Leilani Neumann, of Wisconsin, could have received up to 25 years in prison over the 2008 death of Madeline Neumann, who was known as Kara.
The 11-year-old died of an undiagnosed but treatable form of diabetes.
Judge Vincent Howard ordered the couple to each serve one month in jail each year for the next six years.
God probably works through other people, some of them doctors
Judge Vincent Howard
One parent will serve the term in March and the other in September.
The judge told the Neumanns this would give them time to "think about Kara and what God wants you to learn from this".
He added that they were "very good people, raising their family, who made a bad decision, a reckless decision".
He added: "God probably works through other people, some of them doctors."
The Neumanns each also received 10 years probation, as part of which they must allow a nurse to examine their two youngest surviving children at least once every three months, and must immediately take their children to a doctor for any serious injuries.
'Legal duty'
Prosecutors said the couple had recklessly killed the youngest of their four children by ignoring clear symptoms of severe illness as she became too weak to speak, eat, drink or walk.
They said the couple had a legal duty to take their daughter to a doctor but had instead relied totally on prayer for healing.
Kara died on the floor of the family's rural home as people surrounded her and prayed. The emergency services were only called after she stopped breathing.
In their defence, the parents said they believed healing came from God, and that they had not expected their daughter to die as they prayed for her.
The couple are appealing against their convictions.
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 01-03-2010 12:30 Post subject: |
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'Psychic healer' who claims he can cure cancer by laying his hands on patients is facing jail
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 8:52 AM on 01st March 2010
A self-proclaimed healer is being prosecuted over testimonials on his website claiming he can cure cancer.
Adrian Pengelly, 43, says he is a 'visionary healer, energy worker, teacher and psychic' whose powers have made him 'world famous for treating people with cancer'.
His website is laden with endorsements attesting to his apparently supernatural abilities, many claiming he is a 'miracle worker'.
But he is being taken to court by trading standards officers under the Cancer Act of 1939, which bans advertising offers to treat cancer and carries the threat of a three-month jail sentence.
Pengelly, who featured in a damning episode of the BBC's Watchdog in September, says he is 'proud' of the charges.
Speaking from his home in Leominster, Herefordshire, he said: 'If that's the charge, that on my website there are testimonials from people whose cancer has vanished after I've treated them, then I'm proud to say I did that dastardly deed.'
He says he found 17 years ago he could 'stimulate a healing response' in patients using the laying-on of his hands and has since treated 'tens of thousands' of people and animals, with 13,700 waiting for his services at up to £30 a session.
He also claims he can cure people around the world using 'distance healing'.
Pengelly, who is due before Hereford magistrates this month, says he has never seen his website, which is run by his patients.
He said: 'The people on my website have done it for free, out of the goodness of their hearts.
'I'm just a healer. I can do things most healers only dream about.'
His 'patients' are numerous. One, from IL in Shropshire, states: 'I was diagnosed August/08 with a 4cm breast cancer tumour. I had weekly healing treatments with Adrian until I was operated on four weeks later.
'My surgeons report was - the tumour when removed was 2.5cm, with no cancer spread!! I think this result speaks for itself!!'
Another, from MG in Herefordshire, says: 'In April 2007, I was diagnosed with cancer of the liver and lungs, probably secondaries of a bowl cancer. At that time, the oncologist told me I had four months to live (Six at the outside).
'I have been a patient of Adrian Pengelly since June 2007. The combination of his undoubted gifts, his high professional standards and the atmosphere of calm and harmony which he has created in his consulting room have, I am convinced, contributed greatly to my survival.'
In 2004, supermarket giant Tesco was taken to court under the Cancer Act after running a promotion with Cancer Research UK encouraging people to eat healthily in a bid to prevent cancer.
Those convicted of under the Cancer Act face fines or up to three months in prison.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254389/Distance-healer-faces-court-internet-claim-hes-miracle-worker-cure-cancer.html#ixzz0gvJUGlY3 |
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 22-12-2010 13:24 Post subject: |
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It's a miracle! After 23 years in a wheelchair, woman walks again and says it is all down to spiritual healing
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 7:44 AM on 22nd December 2010
She was paralysed from the waist down when a drink driver ploughed into her car on Christmas Day in 1987.
Then this year, during a visit to a British spiritual healer, Delia Knox suddenly stood up and walked.
And the 46-year-old has been walking ever since.
Mrs Knox, whose ‘miracle moment’ was filmed and has become a favourite YouTube clip, said: ‘This has turned my world upside down. I can stand in my kitchen and walk around my house. I’m like a little kid out of a baby carriage seeing things that were once so huge now seem so small.
‘I am in awe at seeing the power of God not just in my life but all over the world as a result of this miracle.’
The accident which confined her to a wheelchair for 23 years happened when she was on her way home after a church service in Toronto, Canada, with her sister and brother-in-law.
She was a passenger in the car which was hit by a drink driver and bore the brunt of the impact. Her sister and brother-in-law and their two children escaped with minor injuries.
Mrs Knox lost all feeling in her legs and had almost given up hope of walking again.
When she agreed to attend a meeting with preacher Nathan Morris earlier this year, she had no idea healings were happening.
She said: ‘I wanted to get in the presence of God and to see my good friends Pastor John and Brenda Kilpatrick. I knew it was an evangelistic meeting but I didn’t know healings were taking place. To be honest I’ve stayed away from healing meetings.
‘I’ve been pulled, plopped and dropped and rarely responded to altar calls.
‘But Nathan Morris called my husband forward and I had no idea what was going on. I didn’t want to make a scene when Nathan was praying for me.
‘Then all of a sudden I felt a voice which I knew was the Holy Spirit saying to me, “Get up”, and I felt feeling in my legs and then faith came on me to walk.
‘I wasn’t going to let anyone take this away from me and I knew this was my night to walk out of the chair.
‘I walked and walked and walked and felt I had entered another realm. I ended up on the floor and someone was touching my legs and I could feel my knees for the first time. They were bending and clicking into place.’
The footage, which has been viewed by 200,000 on YouTube, shows her being prayed for and lifted out of the wheelchair by the healer during a visit to the Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival in Mobile, Alabama.
People weep and clap as she stands up and independently moves her legs to make her way through the crowd, her steps steadied by two suited men.
A later video shows her walking unaided. The gospel artist, who lives in the U.S., now rarely uses her wheelchair. Her husband, Bishop Levy Knox, said: ‘What has happened to my wife has changed our lives.’
[13 minute video]
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340497/I-walked-walked-I-felt-like-I-entered-realm-Woman-paralysed-23-years-ago-cured-British-spiritual-healer.html#ixzz18qHjyCNk |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17933 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 28-06-2011 13:44 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Nottingham church changes healing claim after complaint
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-13925399
The ASA said it needed robust evidence to back up healing claims
The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has stepped in after a Nottingham church claimed in a leaflet God could heal a range of named illnesses.
It followed a complaint from the head of Nottingham's Secular Society who was handed a flyer while shopping.
The leaflet, distributed by St Mark's Church in Woodthorpe, said God could heal back pain and cancer.
The ASA said "robust evidence" was needed to support such claims.
Matt Wilson from the ASA said: "We are not here to stop religious or faith-based organisations from promoting what they believe in.
"But if they are making absolute claims about curing serious conditions then we have to see that evidence to back it up."
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Dennis Penaluna
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Dennis Penaluna of Nottingham Secular Society said he was shocked by the leaflet.
"I couldn't believe the overarching, ridiculous, unfounded claims they were making. They can't be substantiated," he said.
"It's a dangerous nonsense. People who are ill or vulnerable can be easily persuaded. They will grasp at anything."
Canon Ed Pruin, who advises people in the Church of England diocese of Nottingham and Southwell on healing, said he agreed the leaflet was "less than helpful".
But he added: "I absolutely do believe that God can heal. I have no doubts.
"I think that one of the ways God heals is through medical science and the care of healthcare professionals.
"But I don't think that he is always in the curing business."
Canon Pruin is on the Healing and Wholeness committee that advised St Mark's to amend the leaflet in accordance with the ASA recommendations.
"The words 'healing on the streets' is perhaps a little misleading. I personally would like to see 'care on the streets'.
"People want to be prayed for when they are sick. We are responding to a need," he said.
No-one from St Mark's Church was available for comment.
Members of the church have been part of the Healing On The Streets ministry for two and a half years.
The Healing On The Streets ministry was started by Causeway Coast Vineyard church in Coleraine, Northern Ireland, in 2005 and has been taken up by dozens of churches across the UK.
Other churches in the ministry have said they would now look at their leaflets to make sure that they are not able to be misinterpreted or misunderstood.
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| wopppittess Grey Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Total posts: 17 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 28-06-2011 22:09 Post subject: |
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Hi there,
As a reiki master, could I please just say that if anyone other than a medically trained doctor tells you that they can heal you, please walk away - especially if money is involved.
The human body is designed to 'heal' itself in most cases. Many, many physical and mental conditions are simply down to being overworked and overstressed. Sometimes even if we say to ourselves that we are going to relax for the day, we dont. Sometimes all we need is the permission, time and specific place to relax enough to allow our bodies and minds to do what they are best doing and that is healing themselves.
I have had many a client over the years that have initially come to me and said 'I've been told reiki can heal my condition'. I have in turn replied, 'well, I dont know that it will heal your condition, but it will certainly help you relax enough for your body to begin it's own healing process'. When people realise that it is they that do the healing, they become empowered to take more care, make the right choices etc. You can see those that regularly have sessions, as they blossom, they are balanced, relaxed, at peace with themselves.
I am disabled, in the last 4 years I have lost much of my mobility, my independence etc. Although I am a reiki practitioner, I cannot 'heal' myself, I can however keep myself as uplifted, at ease and relaxed as possible, so much so that I am able to manage without most of the stronger meds (morphine etc) that others who have the same condition as I take by the handful. This in turn allows me to think somewhat more clearly than being drugged and get more out of life. I know that I will never be cured of my conditions, but by giving myself regular reiki treatments, I can make sure that my body is being given the optimum chance to rest and recover.
Please dont look at 'healing' in the hope of working miracles, but then again, please dont look at it in the sense that it is all fakery and hocus pocus as neither is correct. Perhaps it is best to look at it as a way of rest, relaxation and recharge. If the body and mind are meant to be 'healed' you can guarantee that they will do just that given the most suitable circumstance.
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21365 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 28-06-2011 23:17 Post subject: |
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| wopppittess wrote: | Please dont look at 'healing' in the hope of working miracles, but then again, please dont look at it in the sense that it is all fakery and hocus pocus as neither is correct. Perhaps it is best to look at it as a way of rest, relaxation and recharge. If the body and mind are meant to be 'healed' you can guarantee that they will do just that given the most suitable circumstance.
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Wise words.
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| wopppittess Grey Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Total posts: 17 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 29-06-2011 22:13 Post subject: |
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Thanks rynner2  |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17933 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 30-06-2011 13:04 Post subject: |
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| wopppittess wrote: | | Thanks rynner2 |
Wise indeed. Welcome to the FTMB. We must arrange the Initiation Ceremony. |
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| ramonmercado Psycho Punk
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Total posts: 17933 Location: Dublin Gender: Male |
| Posted: 30-06-2011 13:05 Post subject: |
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| ramonmercado wrote: | | wopppittess wrote: | | Thanks rynner2 |
Wise indeed. Welcome to the FTMB. We must arrange the Initiation Ceremony. |
Whoops! Just noticed you're here for almost 2 yrs! But only 7 posts. You make them count. |
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| wopppittess Grey Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Total posts: 17 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 30-06-2011 19:57 Post subject: |
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| Yip been registered a while, but ill health has kept me away. Thank you all the same for the welcome though, it is much appreciated |
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| wopppittess Grey Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Total posts: 17 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 30-06-2011 19:58 Post subject: |
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| ramonmercado wrote: | | wopppittess wrote: | | Thanks rynner2 |
Wise indeed. Welcome to the FTMB. We must arrange the Initiation Ceremony. |
I dreads to think what this entails...........please be gentle with me, I am fragile at the moment   |
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