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PostPosted: 16-05-2014 00:04    Post subject: In search of the Japanese wolf. Reply with quote

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/04/howls-in-the-night-one-mans-quest-for-the-japanese-wolf/

In search of the Japanese wolf.
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PostPosted: 23-05-2014 18:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

So his photos were, or were not photos of the Japanese wolf that he was looking for? If not, how many different types of wolves are out there? If yes, why's it still a mystery?
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PostPosted: 27-05-2014 22:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were two types of wolf in Japan, both officaly extinct. This is the dwarf wolf. The creature in the photos does look very like a dwarf wolf.
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PostPosted: 28-05-2014 14:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the animal has essentially been rediscovered then? Why isn't this all over the net, or am I just a late-comer?
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PostPosted: 28-05-2014 15:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Human_84 wrote:
So the animal has essentially been rediscovered then? Why isn't this all over the net, or am I just a late-comer?


I doesn't become official until the scientists proclaim it so. They won't do that until they have physical evidence, so that nobody can prove them wrong in any way. Of course, science doesn't tell us what to think or believe or how to live our lives. It tells us only what can be shown to be true with scientific method. So if these pictures are evidence enough for you, then to your satisfaction they've been rediscovered. Perhaps that's all that's important.
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PostPosted: 28-05-2014 17:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an interesting one. Personally I don't find the photos persuasive, it's bad enough with thylacines, but with wolves misidentification of dogs makes a visual only identification almost impossible. I'm not saying that it is a dog, just that there's no way to be sure that it isn't.

Although I can't really see a pure blood population surviving unconfirmed for so long, it is possible that some of their genes may live on in feral dog populations. This is where it differs from the thylacine.

This is the dwarf wolf. The creature in the photos does look very like a dwarf wolf.

Have you got any photos of one? Excluding mounts all I can find are variations of this one
http://cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/hondo-wolf2.jpg

And apparently it's not confirmed. I've seen it without the figures too, and to me they do seem a bit incongruous. So it might well be that this shot is of any old wolf with some Japanese lads stuck in there.
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PostPosted: 28-05-2014 18:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add; the animal in the photos is a fairly close match for some of the Japanese dog breeds.

The coat as seen in the 1996 shots is, as I'm sure all will realise, misleading because the animal is soaking wet. Any animal with a dense pale undercoat but with a coloured overcoat will take on this pattern when wet enough. In reality you'd see a redish brown coat, with a light belly and facial patches and possibly lighter legs. Also there seems to be signs of some darker patches around the scruff and down along the spine into the tail.

Is there a decent description of their patternation anywhere?
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PostPosted: 29-05-2014 21:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.washington.edu/uwpress/search/books/WALLOS.html

This is probobly the best source of information.

I've only seen photos of shot or stuffed ones. The description with the distinctive russet markings recalls the animal in the photo but you are right, dogs can look wolf like. A friend of mine who has travlled in Japan says that a freond of her Japanese friends owns a remote mountain house. He claims that both black bears and dwarf wolf have visted his garden.
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PostPosted: 30-05-2014 12:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a nasty feeling that there'd be a sparsity of reference material. Mounted or old skins can be more hindrance than anything else. Look at the re-animated mounts 99.9% of thylacine witnesses report.

Very interesting thanks for posting it.

On another matter I'm making some very slow progress regarding the 'Westbury tiger'. I've found the zoo anyway.
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PostPosted: 30-05-2014 22:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

They would be small, with a distinctive non bushy tail.

Bit like, oh, about 90% of mutts.
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