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PostPosted: 04-03-2007 20:59    Post subject: What we arent being told about smoking.... Reply with quote

We are told that the Japanese are a healthy and long lived race.

Yet they are great smokers; about 60% of adults smoke.

(and they love their booze)

So what does this mean?
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PostPosted: 04-03-2007 22:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

It means there are other factors other than simply smoking or non smoking involved in life expectancy, although there is little doubt that it is a major cause of disease.

Hardly grounds for a "conspiracy".
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PostPosted: 04-03-2007 22:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it wasn't for the smoking they'd live to 200...
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PostPosted: 04-03-2007 23:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

have a society thats usually physically fit
eat raw veg
have diffrent genome

etc

we arnt all the same
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PostPosted: 04-03-2007 23:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave up smoking last July. Best thing I ever did. To imply there is a conspiracy to tell us that smoking is unhealthy when in actual fact it doesn't affect our health is ridiculous. What would the motive be for THEM to misinform us?

Inhaling noxious fumes is bad for your health, fact.

Just because some smokers live until they are 90 doesn't mean their health is not affected by smoking. They might live a long life but the quality of that life is affected. All that tells me is that the human body can be extremely hardy, rather than the fact that smoking is harmless and we are being spun a lie by THEM.
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PostPosted: 05-03-2007 09:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have the figures to hand but are the Russians not heavy smokers with a life expectancy considerably shorter than the British? It's not really indicative of too much?
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PostPosted: 05-03-2007 09:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't even a conspiracy, it's a half-arsed rumour. Laughing

Who says all these things -


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We are told that the Japanese are a healthy and long lived race.

Yet they are great smokers; about 60% of adults smoke.

(and they love their booze)


and why should we believe them? And how have 'healthy' and 'long lived' been measured? And how do we know how many smoke or drink? And how do these figures compare to those of other countries? Can they in fact be compared?



*goes back to SPSS*
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PostPosted: 07-03-2007 12:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

* looks over esc's shoulder at SPSS *

Ooh, that's a fine bit a kurtosis!
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PostPosted: 07-03-2007 12:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I've got ointment for that. Laughing
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PostPosted: 07-03-2007 12:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

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*goes back to SPSS*


What no minitab?
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PostPosted: 07-03-2007 12:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

You quantitative nerds! Laughing

Lordy, how I hate SPSS. Sad
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PostPosted: 07-03-2007 12:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife used to teach undergraduate sociologists how to use it. The blue cloud is probably still floating around somewhere.
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PostPosted: 07-03-2007 13:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Escargot, your avatar is disturbing. What is that pulsating pink thing?



Actually, I'm not sure I want to know.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2008 10:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well heres some news about smoking. Full text at link.

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Men who never smoke live longer, better lives than heavy smokers
http://www.physorg.com/printnews.php?newsid=143132483

Health-related quality of life appears to deteriorate as the number of cigarettes smoked per day increases, even in individuals who subsequently quit smoking, according to a report in the October 13 issue of Archives of Internal Medicine.


Smoking has been shown to shorten men's lives between seven and 10 years, according to background information in the article. It also has been linked to factors that may reduce quality of life, including poor nutrition and lower socioeconomic status.

Arto Y. Strandberg, M.D., of the University of Helsinki, and colleagues followed 1,658 white men born between 1919 and 1934 who were healthy at their first assessment, conducted in 1974. Participants were mailed follow-up questionnaires in 2000 that assessed their current smoking status, health and quality of life. Deaths were tracked through Finnish national registers.

During the 26-year follow-up period, 372 (22.4 percent) of the men died. Those who had never smoked lived an average of 10 years longer than heavy smokers (more than 20 cigarettes per day). Non-smokers also had the best scores on all health-related quality of life measures, especially those associated with physical functioning. Physical health deteriorated at an increasing rate as the number of cigarettes smoked per day increased, with heavy smokers experiencing a decline equivalent to 10 years of aging.
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PostPosted: 14-10-2008 23:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We are told that the Japanese are a healthy and long lived race.

Yet they are great smokers; about 60% of adults smoke.

(and they love their booze)

So what does this mean?


It's not just the Japanese - Southern Europeans also tend to smoke (and drink - far more than the Japanese) heavily, yet enjoy long and healthy lives.

I'm guessing it is a combination of factors and that things such as healthier diets and less stress are as important as fags and booze (ot the lack of them).

I think I did read something once which suggested that the rise in lung cancer etc was linked with the popularisation of commercially produced cigarettes, which are full of lots of nasties aside from tobacco, and that when people smoked pipes or rolled their own there were not the same levels of health problems.
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