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PostPosted: 04-04-2014 06:59    Post subject: Jimmy Savile - aftermath Reply with quote

This thread has been extracted from the now closed Jimmy Savile threads, and is for discussion regarding Savile alone. There is now a dedicated Operation Yewtree thread here. Stu.

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North Yorkshire Police refers itself to IPCC on Savile

North Yorkshire Police's handling of abuse claims made against the late DJ Jimmy Savile is to be investigated by the police watchdog.
The force said it had formally referred itself to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
Inquiries will centre on its response to a report on alleged abuse by Savile it received more than 10 years ago.
It will also look at allegations made recently about Savile's friend Peter Jaconelli, who died in 1999.

The former BBC DJ and presenter Savile died in October 2011, aged 84, before the sex abuse allegations came to light.

North Yorkshire Chief Constable Dave Jones said there had been "quite rightly, significant public interest" in how police forces, nationally, had dealt with reports of allegations against Savile.

The referral to the IPCC comes after the force carried out an internal inquiry about its investigations into the Savile case.
The force said investigations would also look at whether information it held on record about Savile or his known associates was "comprehensively disclosed to Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary (HMIC) when it, and other police forces, were asked to do so by HMIC in December 2012 and again by the IPCC in May last year".

Mr Jones said: "In order to determine whether North Yorkshire Police responded appropriately to information we may have received, I instructed that an immediate review all of our systems be completed to ascertain if there was any recorded information in relation to Savile, Jaconelli and their known associates and friends, in respect of any reported offending."
"As a result of this review, I have referred the matter to the IPCC for their consideration."

He added: "It is imperative that the public, especially victims, have confidence in the police, and that we are trusted to record and investigate all allegations of crime that we receive."

A force spokesman confirmed that had he been alive today, Mr Jaconelli would have already been interviewed under caution.
"Such is the nature of the evidence... a file would have been submitted for consideration by the Crown Prosecution Service," he said.

Operation Yewtree, the national investigation prompted by allegations against Savile, has already received information from the force

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-26879840
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PostPosted: 04-04-2014 17:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone put a start date on the practice of referring yourself to a watchdog or regulatory body before anyone else does? It seems to arse-headedly and spin-consciously daft (don't worry, they'll get along to you in the fullness of time - it doesn't make you appear in the least bit more concientious, honest or innocent, you know.) that it must have arrived with the first Blair government.

Am I completely wrong?
(And yes, this is off-thread)
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PostPosted: 05-04-2014 08:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can anyone put a start date on the practice of referring yourself to a watchdog or regulatory body before anyone else does? It seems to arse-headedly and spin-consciously daft (don't worry, they'll get along to you in the fullness of time - it doesn't make you appear in the least bit more concientious, honest or innocent, you know.) that it must have arrived with the first Blair government.

Am I completely wrong?
(And yes, this is off-thread)


I really don't think people are doing it on a 'just in case' basis.

If you believe that there is the potential for a case to be made against you for any reason (which does not have to be the same as saying you believe you were in the wrong) it makes absolutely perfect sense to be first in the door - it's much, much, better to present your own case proactively than to be caught on the back foot and be seen as simply reacting to outside accusations.

The alternative to the above response is to run and/or hide, and neither action is probably going to erase any existing potential for a case to be made against you - in fact both are likely to add weight to it (and where part of that case consists of accusations of cover-up or conspiracy either response would amount to little more than chucking petrol on a fire).

I honestly don't think it's got anything to do with Tony Blair.
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PostPosted: 05-04-2014 09:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spookdaddy wrote:
I really don't think people are doing it on a 'just in case' basis.

If you believe that there is the potential for a case to be made against you for any reason (which does not have to be the same as saying you believe you were in the wrong) it makes absolutely perfect sense to be first in the door...

Especially since the case is so old that most of those who may have failed to carry out their duties at the time are mostly retired or dead now!

So nobody is actually reporting himself to the watchdog - it's the new boys with their new brooms who are cleaning house...
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...So nobody is actually reporting himself to the watchdog - it's the new boys with their new brooms who are cleaning house...


In a way, yes - but they are addressing historical problems within the system they represent, and if that is part of a process of self scrutiny in regard to systemic failures then I don't see how it can be a bad thing.
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PostPosted: 05-04-2014 11:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit I was thinking more of when MPs do it.
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PostPosted: 06-04-2014 09:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

A long and depressing tale:

Margaret Hodge 'sorry’ as council she led told to investigate Savile abuse allegations
Ex-children’s minister apologises for council’s 'shameful naivety’ in ignoring victims’ voices
By Robert Mendick, and Eileen Fairweather
8:30AM BST 06 Apr 2014

One of Labour’s most senior MPs has confessed to “shameful naivety” in ignoring the pleas of victims of paedophiles who were assaulted in children’s homes in a scandal-hit council she used to run.
Margaret Hodge, a former children’s minister, last night issued an apology amid a growing furore over the latest investigation into widespread sexual abuse in the London borough of Islington.

Police have uncovered possible evidence that Jimmy Savile sexually assaulted vulnerable children in a care home in Islington. It is the first time Savile has been connected with the abuse in Islington in the Seventies and early Eighties that has resulted in the council paying hundreds of thousands of pounds in compensation to victims. It is thought dozens of vulnerable children were abused by a number of paedophiles.

However, most of the abusers escaped justice because allegations made at the time by victims were ignored and many files, which contained corroborating evidence, have been lost or shredded. Mrs Hodge was a councillor from 1973 and leader of the council for a decade from 1982.

The Department for Education has announced that Islington should now examine claims that Savile abused children from one of its homes for itself. The home has not been identified and one of Islington’s tasks will be to find it and to see if staff aided and abetted Savile.

* At one Islington children’s home, a victim of abuse recalled “Jimmy Savile taxis” being despatched to the hostel where she was living 40 years ago. She has no recollection of Savile ever visiting the home.

* A man closely connected to the same children’s home was accused of rape and attempted rape of young girls;

* The allegations against the man were ignored and the alleged attacker went on to work overseas in a hospital for seriously ill children;

* Concerns over Islington’s ability to conduct an independent investigation have intensified after it emerged that the councillor in charge of children’s social services is Mrs Hodge’s son-in-law.

Victims of abuse in Islington are still coming forward, in some cases more than 40 years after the alleged incidents. One person has claimed she was regularly sexually assaulted in a park and her sister raped by a man connected to one of the children’s homes in the borough in the early Seventies. The alleged suspect was allowed to leave Britain and went on to work with dying and seriously ill children in a hospital abroad.

A friend of the woman said: “She just came out with what happened to her only last year. She is still very damaged. She was about 10 at the time.
“She would be taken to the park and he attempted to rape her. Her sister was raped. She said she reported it to the authorities, but she was simply moved to another children’s home. Her attacker is now living overseas.”

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10747257/Margaret-Hodge-sorry-as-council-she-led-told-to-investigate-Savile-abuse-allegations.html

EDIT: an associated story:

Jimmy Savile sex abuse: 'Islington is still covering up'
Two decades on from her expose of sexual abuse in children's homes, Eileen Fairweather talks to the survivors too scared to go public
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Islington had many connections to PIE. In the fatally naive Seventies to mid-Eighties, PIE openly campaigned for sex to be legalised with children from age four, and for incest and child pornography to be legalised. The National Council for Civil Liberties – now Liberty – allowed PIE to affiliate with it, and its then legal officer Harriet Harman wrote a paper effectively backing PIE demands. The assumption in those “progressive” days was that paedophiles simply loved children and wanted to “liberate” their sexuality.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10746412/Jimmy-Savile-sex-abuse-Islington-is-still-covering-up.html
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PostPosted: 20-04-2014 18:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been watching the DVD of Fist of Fun, the Lee and Herring show from the 90s, and at the end of each episode they would flash up jokes over the credits to be paused if you taped it. In this DVD era they are far easier to read, so imagine my surprise in the third episode of series 2 from 1996 when they asked the question, have you ever heard about a former Top of the Pops presenter who is a necrophiliac? Let us know! etc. Interesting...
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Jimmy Savile abuse reports 'reach 500'

There have been at least 500 reports of abuse by ex-BBC presenter Jimmy Savile, NSPCC research for Panorama has found.
Most of the alleged victims were between the ages of 13 and 15, but the youngest was two.

Meanwhile, leaked memos reveal the extent of Savile's influence at Broadmoor psychiatric hospital, where he was appointed to lead a task force to reform the hospital.
Panorama has been told about 16 reports of abuse at the hospital.

The Department of Health and the BBC are due to publish reports into Savile later this year.

Children's charity the NSPCC said its helpline had received 50 more reports of abuse by Savile since its joint report with the Metropolitan Police was published in January 2013.
These included reports from victims themselves, people who knew victims of abuse and people reporting information which was considered useful to the ongoing investigations.
The earliest incident dated back to the mid-1940s, with the most recent in 2007.
The report says most of the abuse took place on BBC premises, in hospitals and at children's homes.

Peter Watt, director of child protection at the NSPCC, told BBC Breakfast Savile saw himself as "immune".
He added: "Behind these statistics are individual children whose lives were ruined by a man who was an opportunistic sexual predator."

Meanwhile, a joint investigation by Panorama and Radio 4's the World at One has seen confidential memos which reveal how Jimmy Savile took control at Broadmoor in 1988. He was recommended by a senior civil servant to lead a task force to reform the hospital.
His appointment was approved by Edwina Currie, when she briefly had responsibility for Broadmoor as health minister in 1988.

Confidential government documents obtained by the BBC reveal that civil servants referred to Jimmy Savile as "Dr Savile" and said that he was going through Broadmoor "like a dose of salts".
Mrs Currie told the BBC: "Our efforts to try to improve matters at Broadmoor came up against a very severe brick wall. And it was the senior civil servant in charge of Broadmoor who thought he might be able to do something. Bear in mind Savile had been in and out for donkey's years. So why not ask if he could help to improve matters?"

At the time Savile was appointed, the Prison Officers' Association at Broadmoor had just voted to take industrial action, but the documents show Savile thought he could deal with the dispute.
He told Mrs Currie he had discovered some staff were sub-letting hospital housing and fiddling their overtime claims.
"He made it quite clear, he told me, that he would use that against the staff if they misbehaved and didn't call off the overtime ban," she said. "I made a note of it at the time because I was so surprised."

Mrs Currie said there were no complaints about Jimmy Savile at the time. The BBC has learned that there have now been at least 16 reports to the police of abuse by him at the hospital.
Dr Chandra Ghosh, who was a senior psychiatrist at Broadmoor, said she understood why more people had not made official complaints.
"These were people that nobody believed. So if they had in fact turned round and said he had abused them or raped them, nobody would have believed them. You know, this was Mr Savile, you know, Jim'll Fix It," she said.

The BBC has spoken to a woman who was invited to Broadmoor by Savile to sing for patients as a 14-year-old. She says Savile indecently assaulted her at the hospital.
The woman, who does not want to be identified, said: "He gave me a cuddle and so he was touching my breasts, and he kissed me and he tried to put his tongue in my mouth. It was the most scariest experience I think of my life. It was a very scary, horrible place."

"West London Mental Health NHS Trust - which now runs Broadmoor - expressed sympathy for any victims but said it can't comment while its joint investigation with the Department of Health is ongoing. It says any complaints involving Savile are part of that investigation."

The Department of Health is investigating 33 hospitals' links with Savile. Reports are expected to be published shortly. The BBC's inquiry is due to be published in September.

Panorama - Savile: The Power to Abuse is on BBC One on 2 June at 20:30 BST.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27621777
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PostPosted: 02-06-2014 19:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a piece on World at One
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0457rmx[/url]

7:00 minutes in, approximately.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QUuCWNyvv8

I've found this interesting video which suggests that Jimmy Savile was a wizard with magical powers! It's quite well made and should be taken with a very large pinch of salt, however the connections made are very interesting - especially his association with the Beatles and the true meaning of the album cover from 'Help'!
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Certain websites discuss alleged incidents when Savile organised Satanic rituals in the basements of the hospitals he hung out in. The 'victims' say he was done up in robes and a hood or mask, but they recognised his distinctive accent and speech patterns. Shocked

Veni, omnipotens aeterne diabolus! Now then! Now then!


Smoking the cigar and wearing the bling were probably clues too. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10-06-2014 12:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

pornosonic1975 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QUuCWNyvv8

I've found this interesting video which suggests that Jimmy Savile was a wizard with magical powers!

I had a brief run-through, I'll probably give it my full attention later.
(A lot of people assumed the Beatles' cover was just the semaphore for H-E-L-P,
but I once knew semaphore, so I knew that wasn't right!)
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I watched the Wizard video through again. Many apparent links to all aspects of the occult, but I can't help but think that the sum is less than its parts.

Being a devout non-believer in Ley Lines, I'm not convinced that Savil's places on them amount to anything more than coincidence. Was JS making magucal signs, or is that something being read into showmanship gestures that, over time, tend to become more exagerated and 'trademark'?

And yet paradoxically it convinces me that there are mysteries in Savile's life that may not be revealed for decades. Food for thought indeed!
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rynner2 wrote:
pornosonic1975 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QUuCWNyvv8

I've found this interesting video which suggests that Jimmy Savile was a wizard with magical powers!

I had a brief run-through, I'll probably give it my full attention later.
(A lot of people assumed the Beatles' cover was just the semaphore for H-E-L-P,
but I once knew semaphore, so I knew that wasn't right!)


I'd always assumed that too. Do their positions make any sense in semaphore?
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