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Posted: 11-02-2002 04:51 Post subject: Knights Templar/Freemasonry

What I'm looking for is the "definitive" (if there is such a thing) books on the Knights Templar, Freemasonry or other secret societies. Can anyone make some recommendations? What I'm after are those books which are not sensationalist, i.e. bollocks-free, and well respected regarding the subjects above.

Thanks.

Posted: 11-02-2002 05:13 Post subject:

The Templars - Piers Paul Read - Weidenfeld & Nicholson - ISBN 0 - 297 - 84267 - 6

Posted: 11-02-2002 10:11 Post subject:

How about joining the Freemasons? then make up your own mind

Posted: 11-02-2002 18:34 Post subject:

Is that an offer?

[Raises trouser leg]

Posted: 11-02-2002 19:07 Post subject:

surely the point of these orders is to follow orders (not make up your own mind)!

For the Masons I can recommend the Brotherhood by Steven Knight and A White's Secret traditions of freemasonry.

Posted: 11-02-2002 20:37 Post subject:

Inside the Brotherhood - Martin Short

Posted: 12-02-2002 05:24 Post subject: Freemasonry

If you would like to talk about Freemasonry and how to gain
information on the subject, contact me at my email address
reserved for such inquiries and queries:

StarLog2000@aol.com

I will be more that happy to answer as many of your questions
as possible.

E. D. Brewton

Smile

Posted: 12-02-2002 18:20 Post subject:

For a sane scholarly overview of the Templars, I highly recommend 'The New Knighthood' by Malcolm Barber.

Posted: 08-04-2002 10:24 Post subject: Jacques de Molay???????

After reading the website it gave 2 conflicting opinions on Jacques de Molay, the Pope pardoning the Knights Templar story said he was burnt at the stake and the Turin Shroud story says that he was crucified. I was just wondering which one was true.
As this would disprove one story, because a burnt body cannot be wrapped in a shroud and leave such a good print the cloth

Cheers
Chopstix

Posted: 08-04-2002 10:31 Post subject:

Jaques de Molay was tortured upon arrest in 1307 - this is when he was crucified.

He was not actually killed at this point and was put in prison for a few years.

At a later stage he recanted his confessions and was then burned at the stake.

So, he was burned to death but still could be the figure on the Turin Shroud.

Posted: 08-04-2002 11:04 Post subject:

Is there any truth in the tale, that when Louis XVI had been executed in the French Revolution, as his head hit the ground somebody from the crowd shouted
'The death of Jacques de Molay has been avenged'
(Talk about bearing grudges;) )

Posted: 28-04-2002 23:47 Post subject:

Jacques was innocent!!!!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-252124,00.html

Vatican file shows Pope pardoned massacred Knights

VATICAN documents have come to light showing that the wholesale massacre of the Knights Templar in the Middle Ages for alleged “heresy, idolatry and sexual perversion”

Posted: 26-09-2002 01:07 Post subject: Knights Templar Thread

It would be great if we can cover as much as possible on this topic. I have been thinking long and hard for a way to start it and I have settled on just opening it and asking a question.

Does anybody else live near an area of Templar activity?

I live in Irvine and Kilwinning and I am honoured to have been born, brought up and educated within a walk away from Kilwinning Abbey (and the mother lodge)

The town of Irvine had at least 16-20 Templar Tenements in and around the royal burgh boundry.

My house in Irvine is actually situated in a medieval estate owned by the Templar families. Indeed, it was still used by freemasons shortly BEFORE the foundation of the Scottish Grand Lodge. The worlds oldest masonic jewel comes from my estate. It was gifted to the mother lodge in 1734 and was eventually cased in old timbers from Kilwinning Abbey roof.

So, does anybody else live near a hotbed of Templar activity?

P.S The thread hopefully will deal with much more than this query.
the lairds of my estate were the keepers of the Schaw Statutes (the oldest masonic rules of the order)

Posted: 26-09-2002 10:16 Post subject:

I grew up 4 miles from a Village called Templecombe in Somerset - as its name suggested, it used to be a Templar settlement.

There was a Time Team programme there a couple of years ago. A local teacher owned a house which he believed contained parts of an original Templar building. The Time Team people showed that the boundary of the Templar settlement ran outside of his property and his house had nothing older then 16th Century. Most amusing.

Posted: 26-09-2002 12:00 Post subject:

Ha ha!

Poor sod!

Was the rest of the dig successful though?

Did they find some decent remains of Templar occupation or were they aiming at something else.

I dont remember seeing that episode.....I hate that! Smile