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escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
Posted: 07-10-2002 17:37 Post subject: Brady to take revenge on Hindley- from the grave! |
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From AOL News-
'BRADY 'PLANNING TO TAKE REVENGE ON HINDLEY'
IAN BRADY is reportedly planning to take revenge from the grave on Myra Hindley for claiming he forced her to take part in killing five children.
The London Evening Standard reports he has ordered the release of coded letters from her which cast doubt on her claims. But the paper says they will only be made public after he dies.
According to the Evening Standard Brady has been preparing for his death, his funeral and the disposal of correspondence from Hindley that has remained under lock and key for 36 years.
He has reportedly issued instructions to his solicitors about his funeral and the disposal of the papers.
Benedict Birnberg, the executor of his will, says Brady has given him letters written to him by Hindley before their trial in 1966.
The paper claims the correspondence includes letters written to him in code in which it's alleged that Hindley advocates inflicting pain on children.
Hindley has lodged an application with the European Court of Human Rights against her "whole life" prison tariff.
She has argued that successive Home Secretaries were acting beyond their powers by ordering she spend the rest of her life behind bars.'
For once, words fail me. |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 07-10-2002 17:44 Post subject: |
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| I used to have nightmares about those two when I was a child. Their crimes were just too disgusting to contemplate. Hindley should realise that any home secretary who authorises her release will not only be committing political suicide but also be signing her death warrant. Lesley Ann Downeys family have always vowed to kill her if she was ever released, and to be honest, i don't blame them in the slightest. I don't think you'd find a jury to convict them if they did. |
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akaWiintermoon Great Old One Joined: 04 Jan 2002 Total posts: 994 Location: Southampton, Hampshire, UK. Age: 39 Gender: Female |
Posted: 07-10-2002 20:24 Post subject: |
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The sick #@*! can't just let it be can he? His attutude shows he hasn't owned up and taken personal responsability for his vile acts himself. Pointing the finger at someone else takes the heat off doesn't it?What are these letters going to do when released other than drag everything up publicaly for the victims families again. In a sick and twisted way, that means he still has control over their emotional lives. He's either to dumb to realise this or rubbing his evil hands with glee.
One public opinion I do dissagree with though, is the notion for a death penalty for him (though I accept I'm not connected to his crimes and might feel differently otherwise.). THis is because we have no conclusive proof of what the afterlife really is like. All the time he's rotting away in prison, which he absolutely hates, is pennance in my eyes. It may sound sick, but at least he's suffering too in some way. |
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ogopogo3 Just a CabbageHead Joined: 25 Oct 2001 Total posts: 1684 Location: Minnesota Age: 41 Gender: Male |
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escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
Posted: 08-10-2002 08:04 Post subject: |
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I'm surprised at Wilson but not so much Sotos.
I like true crime books (looking forward to reading Sereny's Mary Bell book which I picked up yesterday) but would not read this one on principle.
Not because Brady is a murderous paedophile, though that's good enough reason, but because he can't have anything new to say about the subject. All he can know is what he's read in books, so we'd be better off reading them ourselves.
Any original thoughts have already been expressed to the Parole Board or the tabloid newspapers.
We already know his Big Idea- raping and killing little kids makes you feel powerful- so his book isn't exactly likely to be a work of suspense.
I bet he misses Lord Longford. |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 08-10-2002 10:36 Post subject: |
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Actually, Brady's book isn't about his crimes - it's his take on serial killers in general - what makes them kill and so forth - so it might be worth looking at.
And he never liked Lord Longford. So that's a point in his favour. |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 21-11-2002 14:38 Post subject: |
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| Well, she's gone and died on him so he's buggered now. At least the rest of us, and the families, won't have to put up with his deluded ravings. |
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caroleaswas Diva Mentalis Joined: 01 Aug 2001 Total posts: 4607 Age: 8 Gender: Female |
Posted: 21-11-2002 14:41 Post subject: |
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He's still on hunger strike isn't he? Why don't they just let the bugger die?
Carole |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 21-11-2002 14:47 Post subject: |
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There was a discussion on their relationship today on Radio 4.
One speaker seemed to think that she was under Brady's spell and that her religious conversion showed that she had repented at the end of her life.
The other, who had met Hindley, thought that she was a psychopath, who took as much pleasure as Brady in doing what they did and showed no remorse for her actions.
She also said that Hindley had a very strong, charismatic personality, and she suspected that her conversion was just another attempt to manipulate public opinion and/or her supporters, in order to be released.
They also examined the way the public's opinion about Hindley changed through the years, in relation to feminism among other things. A very interesting program. |
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escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
Posted: 21-11-2002 18:57 Post subject: |
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Which R4 prog was that, Sally? I would like to try & catch it if it's repeated or on the website.
I stand by what I said about Brady's book. I did know that it is about serial killers. He can't have done any original research so his findings are second-hand.
I'm not remotely curious about his conclusions either. And his writing style is turgid and pompous.
Plus, he's a raper of children who wrecked the lives of at least five families.
Emlyn Williams' superb 'Beyond Belief' is about the moors murders. He brilliantly describes the building of Brady's private world, where he was not a petty crook working as a clerk in a provincial town but a disguised criminal genius, able to move among the unsuspecting common people in disguise...
Brady still clings to this absurd fantasy even from his secure hospital room. Pathetic. |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 22-11-2002 10:21 Post subject: |
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| Here you go, escargot. It was on Woman's Hour. |
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escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
Posted: 22-11-2002 11:20 Post subject: |
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Many thanks, Sally!
I am listening now. |
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JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
Posted: 22-11-2002 17:58 Post subject: |
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| carole wrote: |
He's still on hunger strike isn't he? Why don't they just let the bugger die?
Carole |
Radio 4's Law in Action tackled this question this afternoon, Carole. The
law is quite complicated but hinges on whether Brady is seen as competant
to make the decision to die. It has been ruled that he is not.
This is not part of the Mental Health Act, though he could be forcibly fed
under the terms of that, if occasion arose. Like most legal matters, each
step seemed reasonable enough, even if the end result was puzzling.
Brady has been fed by tube for the last three years but does not struggle. |
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escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
Posted: 22-11-2002 20:46 Post subject: |
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| I'd like to be responsible for that tube. |
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rynner2 What a Cad! Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21369 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
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Ten years on:
Ian Brady 'reveals location' of Keith Bennett's body
Moors Murderer Ian Brady has revealed information about where one of his victims, 12-year-old Keith Bennett, is buried, detectives believe.
Police think Brady gave details to a visitor to his psychiatric hospital.
A woman arrested in south Wales on suspicion of preventing a lawful burial of a body was named by Press Association sources as his legal advocate, Jackie Powell.
Brady and Myra Hindley murdered five children between 1963 and 1965.
Keith's is the only body never found.
They kidnapped, tortured and murdered the children, whose bodies were buried on Saddleworth Moor near Manchester.
Brady, 74, was jailed for life in 1966 at Chester Assizes for the murders of Lesley Ann Downey, 10, John Kilbride, 12, and Edward Evans, 17.
He has spent the past 25 years at the high-security Ashworth Hospital in Merseyside and has been tube-fed since refusing food 12 years ago.
Hindley, who died in prison in November 2002, aged 60, was given a life sentence for the murders of Lesley Ann and Edward and for shielding Brady after John's murder.
In 1987 they admitted killing Keith and 16-year-old Pauline Reade, whose bodies had not been found. Both were taken back to Saddleworth Moor to help police find the remains of the missing victims but only Pauline's body was found.
The director of public prosecutions at the time decided prosecuting Brady and Hindley for the final two killings would not be in the public interest.
Police abandoned the hunt for Keith's body in 2009 and officers said they would need fresh evidence to resume the search.
A Greater Manchester Police spokesman said: "On 30 July 2012, Greater Manchester Police received information that led officers to believe that Ian Brady had recently given details of the location of Keith Bennett's body to one of his long-term visitors.
"Officers in the cold case unit made inquiries to the accuracy of this report and have since had extensive contact with Ashworth Hospital and Keith's close family.
"As a result, warrants obtained under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act were executed at Ashworth Hospital and a private address in South Wales.
"A 49-year-old woman has been arrested in South Wales on suspicion of preventing the burial of a body without lawful exercise and remains in police custody for questioning. Searches of both locations are ongoing."
Keith was abducted on his way to visit his grandmother in Manchester on 16 June 1964.
His mother Winnie Johnson, 78, has fought a long campaign to get Brady to reveal the location of her son's grave.
Last month Brady, who was born in Glasgow, was due to go before a mental health tribunal to consider his application to be transferred to a Scottish prison and be allowed to die. But it was postponed when he suffered a seizure.
Last December Mrs Johnson, from Longsight, Manchester, said she wanted to attend the planned hearing to face Brady.
"I would like to go to hear it myself," she said.
"I want to listen to what he has got to say, if he is going to say anything important.
"I have never seen him face to face.
"It would hurt but the point is I want to be there. The only way I can find out is going and facing him."
But in the days leading up to the tribunal, before it was called off, she said it would be too traumatic for her to attend.
Her solicitor John Ainley said: "Winnie has made it perfectly clear over the years that she considers Ian Brady should remain in a mental hospital for the remainder of his natural life and not be transferred to a prison either in England or Scotland.
"Presumably, the intention would be to go on hunger strike with a view to ending his own life. She does not consider this should be his prerogative.
"She has only one question to ask Ian Brady, that is 'Where is my son Keith?'
"Her one and only desire is to give her son a proper family burial during her lifetime."
In February 2006 Mrs Johnson said she had received a letter from Brady in which he complained of his treatment in the high-security hospital and claimed he was being kept alive by force-feeding for "political purposes".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19292164 |
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