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rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21369 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
 Posted: 17-08-2012 09:25 Post subject: |
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The Telegraph adds:
| Quote: | Speaking in the Daily Mirror, Powell said: "He says he doesn’t wish to take his secrets to the grave and within the sealed envelope is a letter to Winnie Johnson.
“Within that is the means of her possibly being able to rest."
She said Brady had previously described to her a mental map of Keith's grave. It is believed to be somewhere on Saddleworth Moor outside Manchester.
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The existence of the letter is also revealed in a Channel 4 documentary, Ian Brady: End Games of a Psychopath, which is due to be aired on Monday at 9pm.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9481586/Moors-murderer-Ian-Brady-finally-reveals-where-Keith-Bennett-is-buried.html |
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| escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 17-08-2012 09:41 Post subject: |
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He knows where Keith is buried. When he was taken back to the moors years ago to help find Keith's and Pauline Reade's bodies, I believe that he was hoping to walk over Keith's grave once more and possibly be photographed there, as he and Hindley liked to do when they were free. For him, giving up one body would be a fair price for this.
So with any luck Keith's body will be found and buried before his mother herself dies in the hospice. This means that Brady will have forced her to feel grateful to him on her deathbed. How cruel. He'd love that.  |
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| Quake42 Warrior Princess
Great Old One Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Total posts: 5313 Location: Over Silbury Hill, through the Solar field Gender: Unknown |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Total posts: 9109 Location: Not far from Bedford Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 17-08-2012 19:13 Post subject: |
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Somebody should open up that letter now!
It's probably the verbal equivalent of a raspberry, knowing that the man is a psychopath and has no guilt feelings. |
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| escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 17-08-2012 20:37 Post subject: |
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Yup, I reckon it's probably 'GOTCHA!' scribbled on a scrap of prison toilet paper.
I'm still convinced that he does know where the body is though, and that he enjoyed visiting it in the 80s. |
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| rynner2 What a Cad!
Great Old One Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Total posts: 21369 Location: Under the moon Gender: Male |
| Posted: 18-08-2012 08:18 Post subject: |
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Police and family fear Moors murder letter may be latest Ian Brady ruse
A claim that the Moors Murderer Ian Brady has disclosed the location of one of his victims might have been a “ruse" orchestrated by the killer, police fear.
By Martin Beckford, and Sam Marsden
10:00PM BST 17 Aug 2012
A woman who represents the serial killer in his high-security hospital was arrested after claiming in a television documentary that he gave her a sealed letter explaining where Keith Bennett’s body was buried almost 50 years ago.
Detectives who have searched Jackie Powell’s house as well as Brady’s room have found no trace of the document.
The mental health advocate claims she returned it to him instead of giving it to the dead boy’s mother as instructed.
Suspicions are growing that it might have been another attempt by the 74-year-old murderer to manipulate the authorities and torment the grieving relatives of his victims. However, police are continuing to examine seized documents.
Martin Bottomley, head of investigative review at Greater Manchester Police's major and cold case crime unit, said: “I want to be explicitly clear about this: Ian Brady has not revealed to police the location of Keith's body.
“What we are looking at is the possibility, and at this stage it is only a possibility, that he has written a letter to Keith's mum, Winnie Johnson, which was not to be opened until after his death.
“We do not know if this is true or simply a ruse but we clearly have a duty to investigate such information on behalf of Keith's family.”
Mrs Powell, who was arrested on Thursday before being bailed, herself admitted in the documentary, to be broadcast next week: “Well to be perfectly honest with you there might be nothing in the letter – many games have been played before. That is the mind of a psychopath.”
But she also said: “Every human being, whoever they are, should be treated with some amount of dignity and respect.”
John Ainley, the solicitor representing Keith’s mother, said any information about the location of his body should be handed over but added: “The family are very sceptical as to whether there is a letter and as to the contents of it.”
He said Mrs Johnson, who has cancer, has always believed that Brady knows exactly where the body lies and added: “It beggars belief that he would not want to pass that information on.”
David Kirwan, another solicitor who formerly represented the family, agreed: “I believe Ian Brady knows the exact whereabouts of Keith Bennett's grave and is capable of directing police to it.
“However, it is important to remember who we are dealing with and how he seems to enjoy bizarre mind games and manipulation.”
Keith’s brother, Alan Bennett, wrote on his website: “Until some definite information is found regarding Keith's whereabouts we do not want to raise our hopes too high at this stage. Nonetheless, it is a very important development.”
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9483757/Police-and-family-fear-Moors-murder-letter-may-be-latest-Ian-Brady-ruse.html |
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| JamesWhitehead Piffle Prospector Joined: 02 Aug 2001 Total posts: 5779 Location: Manchester, UK Gender: Male |
| Posted: 18-08-2012 12:18 Post subject: |
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Mrs Johnson died last night. RIP.
Guardian Story |
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| BlackRiverFalls I wear a fez now.
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| Posted: 18-08-2012 13:30 Post subject: |
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| About the only way she was ever going to be truly free of the f*cker. |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Total posts: 9109 Location: Not far from Bedford Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 19-08-2012 18:52 Post subject: |
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| Very sad news indeed. |
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| escargot1 Joined: 24 Aug 2001 Total posts: 17897 Location: Farkham Hall Age: 4 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 17-06-2013 07:59 Post subject: |
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According to the BBC TV news, Brady will be 'appearing before the public for the first time in four decades' during this appeal. I can't find an up-to-date BBC news source for the story online so here's a Daily Mirror one, with a mention of a forthcoming TV documentary:
Moors murderer Ian Brady: Right to die legal bid starts today as serial killer wants to starve to death
| Quote: | Moors murderer Ian Brady will appear in court today to demand the right to die.
A mental health tribunal will examine the serial killer’s claim that he is sane and should be allowed to starve himself to death.
Brady, 75, has been on hunger strike for 13 years but is force fed because he is sectioned under the Mental Health Act, meaning he is not deemed fit to make a decision about ending his own life.
His appeal comes as a TV documentary is set to claim that photos taken in the 60s by Brady and accomplice Myra Hindley could reveal where they buried 12-year-old Keith Bennett.
The programme will say the child killers used the pictures to mark the locations of their victims’ graves.
One photo shows Brady smiling as he poses with a dog at a beauty spot called Ramshaw Rocks near Leek, Staffs.
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(I used to know Ramshaw Rocks well!  ) |
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| CarlosTheDJ Dazed and confused for so long its not true
Great Old One Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Total posts: 1928 Location: Sussex Age: 37 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 17-06-2013 12:12 Post subject: |
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| escargot1 wrote: | According to the BBC TV news, Brady will be 'appearing before the public for the first time in four decades' during this appeal. I can't find an up-to-date BBC news source for the story online so here's a Daily Mirror one, with a mention of a forthcoming TV documentary:
Moors murderer Ian Brady: Right to die legal bid starts today as serial killer wants to starve to death
| Quote: | Moors murderer Ian Brady will appear in court today to demand the right to die.
A mental health tribunal will examine the serial killer’s claim that he is sane and should be allowed to starve himself to death.
Brady, 75, has been on hunger strike for 13 years but is force fed because he is sectioned under the Mental Health Act, meaning he is not deemed fit to make a decision about ending his own life.
His appeal comes as a TV documentary is set to claim that photos taken in the 60s by Brady and accomplice Myra Hindley could reveal where they buried 12-year-old Keith Bennett.
The programme will say the child killers used the pictures to mark the locations of their victims’ graves.
One photo shows Brady smiling as he poses with a dog at a beauty spot called Ramshaw Rocks near Leek, Staffs.
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(I used to know Ramshaw Rocks well! ) |
I think I know it.....is it in the Peak District? Or is it in a book I once read? I definitely know the name..... |
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theyithian Keeping the British end up
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| Posted: 17-06-2013 14:33 Post subject: |
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| The whole case was significantly before my time and I've never read much about it. I didn't realise until I read it on the BBC yesterday that Bradey and Hindley took their neighbour - a young girl - out for a picnic on the moors and brought her home safely. That throws up so many questions I'd like answering. Was it a test run? Was it before or during the series of confirmed murders? |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
Joined: 18 Sep 2001 Total posts: 9109 Location: Not far from Bedford Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 17-06-2013 15:04 Post subject: |
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| theyithian wrote: | | The whole case was significantly before my time and I've never read much about it. I didn't realise until I read it on the BBC yesterday that Bradey and Hindley took their neighbour - a young girl - out for a picnic on the moors and brought her home safely. That throws up so many questions I'd like answering. Was it a test run? Was it before or during the series of confirmed murders? |
Yes, I noticed that too...curious.
Another question that I have is, at what point did one or the other of them propose the outrageous suggestion that they would like to kill a child? I mean, if one suggested it, the other could have been shocked and horrified. How did they know they were both a pair of psychos? Do psychos have a secret 'recognition code'? It would certainly help the police if something like this happened. |
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| OneWingedBird Great Old One Joined: 19 Nov 2012 Total posts: 542 Location: Attice of blinkey lights Age: 44 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 17-06-2013 19:48 Post subject: |
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I saw this on the news this morning, and can't help thinking now the whole wanting to starve to death thing is just some warped ruse to hold the families 'hostage' with the threat of taking what he knows to the grave with him.
Myth - I believe he did share a lot of stuff with Hindley to test the water first, 'Scarg might be able to tell you more but off the top of my head, Nazi documentary stuff and the writings of De Sade were two of those things. |
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| gncxx King-Size Canary
Great Old One Joined: 25 Aug 2001 Total posts: 13561 Location: Eh? Gender: Male |
| Posted: 17-06-2013 22:06 Post subject: |
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| I don't know why this man continues to get so much publicity when it's exactly what he wants. |
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