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Posted: 28-10-2002 16:45 Post subject: |
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Good thing they aren't happening near christmas or easter, or they'd be blaming those pesky christians  |
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Posted: 28-10-2002 16:55 Post subject: |
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To be fair they don't actually accuse pagans or witches. They point out a link between the significance of symbolism and timing that has occured in the attacks. Much like several serial killers have employed symbolism borrowed from the bible, but could by no means be called Christian in denomination or behaviour.
Unfortunately, because paganism is a blanket term for a diverse groups of religious beliefs and witchcraft has associations with wiccanism but has very different historical and cultural connotations this can lead to a large community being tarred with the same brush. |
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Posted: 28-10-2002 16:58 Post subject: |
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"Horse incidents do seem to occur in flurries and they have started again now before Hallowe'en"
When have these previous 'flurries' occurred? Around other pagan festivals or has there been no previous 'pattern'?Does anyone out there know? |
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Posted: 28-10-2002 17:21 Post subject: |
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These allegations are based on a report issued by something called the National Equine Welfare Society. I've been to their website and can't find any mention of it. There's nothing about it on any of the other animal welfare sites that I've tried. So we have no idea at the moment of what this report actually says - if it exists at all.
The quote about attacks happening around pagan festivals "between October and Easter" doesn't make me confident that whoever wrote it knows anything at all about paganism or pagan festivals. |
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| Anonymous |
Posted: 29-10-2002 10:47 Post subject: Update |
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Karin Attwood of the Rollrights Trust has been investigating this story and has asked everyone to post this from her:
| Quote: | the lady who runs the British Equine Assoc happens to live in the same town as me and I've been talking to her most of this evening...
She at no time mentioned the word Pagan - this news item has come about as the result of an internal email asking members to report anything unusual to do with attacks on horse following a spate of attacks in the Notts area.
Someone (not sure who) suggested that the attacks coincided with the Pagan Calendar. All she was trying to do was build a profile of when, where and what.... The mention of the word Pagan seems to have originated in Scotland by some person who did not realise that a whole community of people use the
title to describe themselves. The lady concerned has since apologised.
Indeed the Scottish PF is jointly investigating the attacks with the animal protection group. An offer of the same has been made an accepted by the British Equine Assoc'. |
So, it's another case of ignorance... (Wish the Beeb would stop quoting bloody Kevin Carlyon as an expert on Paganism) |
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Breakfastologist Great Old One Joined: 31 Jul 2001 Total posts: 935 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 25-06-2003 13:48 Post subject: Why horse attacks? |
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| Another story on "black magic" horse attacks - can anyone shed light on what traditions would encourage this and why? |
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Mama_Kitty Mummified Bumpless and Sleepless Joined: 04 Apr 2002 Total posts: 747 Location: Mars Age: 33 Gender: Female |
Posted: 25-06-2003 14:03 Post subject: |
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I can't belive such attacks are being carried out by any serious groups, aside from all the respect for nature practised by the majority of occult/pagan groups, who in their right mind would think that a savage attack on a horse could possibly have spiritual meaning?!
I think it's either bored/drugged up teens or people with a sick fetish.
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AlistairP3 Great Old One Joined: 10 Sep 2001 Total posts: 159 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 25-06-2003 14:13 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | what traditions would encourage this and why? |
Nothing specific, really.
Any 'experts' claiming otherwise are just attention seeking. |
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Posted: 25-06-2003 14:15 Post subject: |
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I agree with KittyRice. Who ever is doing this has no respect for life or nature whatsoever. |
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mejane1 miaow, miaow... purrrr Joined: 17 Jan 2002 Total posts: 1637 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 25-06-2003 14:25 Post subject: |
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I too think it is sick individuals rather than any organised group.
The thing that always puzzles me is why do the horses allow it to happen? They're intellient, powerful creatures
Jane. |
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Posted: 25-06-2003 14:31 Post subject: |
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| Yes but if there are enough people I imagine it's possible to subdue them. |
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Posted: 25-06-2003 19:22 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | They're intellient, powerful creatures | Well they're certainly powerful. Are they intelligent? I'm not sure.
Horses are certainly strange, lovely and enigmatic. But if they're intelligent - then they're intelligent in a way I don't understand. They seem to have a completely different perception.
They're so strange and sensitive. Like how a particular route can spook them for no obvious reason. Or a particular branch or bit of hedge. Very difficult to figure them out. |
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Posted: 25-06-2003 20:12 Post subject: |
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| Horses largely speaking are really quite evil, and this is a person speaking from experience, having fallen off a horse three times already ! Still doesn't put me off riding though, and of course horses are yummy to eat too............ |
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Breakfastologist Great Old One Joined: 31 Jul 2001 Total posts: 935 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: 26-06-2003 14:44 Post subject: |
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Horses are intelligent but their way of thinking is that of an animal adapted to living on open plains and trying not to get eaten by lions - most of the behaviours that seem weird to us are logical consequences of that. They learn very fast though if you can explain what you are trying to teach them in terms they understand.
I suspect the majority of attacks are happening in stables, where the horses can't get away.
My impression was that it is likely to be some satanism obsessed psychopath rather than a part of any genuine magical tradition, but I thought people here would know if it was. |
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