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PostPosted: 15-08-2005 14:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt a group like that would be much good at world domination somehow.

Think of the fluffier end of Mensa.
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PostPosted: 15-08-2005 15:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

techybloke666 wrote:
Aliens are best discussed on the Aliens thread when all said and done.

Now demons thats a different matter !!!!!


And what do demons have to do with the Illuminati?
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PostPosted: 15-08-2005 20:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you look at the site I posted Jerry

It does mention Demons !

Can't see you having a open view on Demons and the Occult IMHO Very Happy

still if you want to get it going on here thats fine with me.
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PostPosted: 15-08-2005 21:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that site is very confused Wink

If you want to read about my thoughts on the occult, magick, etc. use this forum's search function.

Demons and the occult is a thread in itself - and has probably already been covered here in one way or another.
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PostPosted: 16-08-2005 05:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Niles_Calder wrote:
The Illuminati were officially disbanded. That doesn't that they were actually disbanded...
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"There is no Barvarian Illuminati"
The Barvarian Illuminati


Before you bury your head too deeply in your search for the Ancient Illuminated Seers of Barvaria I suggest you first read Robert Anton Wilson's (and the late Robert Shea's) Illuminatus Trillogy. I also recommend you to read Principa Discordia which is available online and in a book form (the latter from Steve Jackson Games). I warn you both are somewhat Cavaet Lector and reading Illuminatus has been likened to swallowing an LSD coated handgrenade (it either expands your mind or blows it). Of course I'm not expousing messing around with hallucinogens or explosives - I've never done either myself...

Anyway TTFN
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I just looked up Principia Discordia and read about half of it. It's hilarious. I haven't had the pleasure of reading the Illuminatus Trillogy yet. It seems to me that much of the fuss about delving into the abyss to gain knowledge is merely exploring one's subconscious or the left brain hemisphere thinking. There could be lots of Boogy Men in there and if one survived the journey into that abyss and the seemingly chaos of it because it is not linear and logical like the left hemisphere thinking, they would come out feeling enlightened. In that case the pineal gland would be the door. However, there are other doors depending on metaphor interpretation since alchemy is applied to many disciplines.

The door is actually two doors (or gates), positive and negative. They can be applied to the mind, astronomy, chemistry and more. Sometimes they are called the door to heaven or Heaven of Heavens and the door to hell. The one to heaven, or the positive door was often mentioned as needed after going into the abyss. It was the way out and was also associated with flight. So we end up with tales such as dead pharoahs taking the journey to an underworld, then gaining the vessel to take them then to the upper world (heaven). That story also has astronomy meaning. Once in the sky, they repeat the metaphors and supposedly traveled past constellations associated with a door to hell and a door to the Heaven of Heavens. The vessel needed to reach the Heaven of Heavens was associated with the constellation Lira. From there the pharoah tried to get to the Cepheus constellation, then Aquarius. So the main parts of the journey went past Serpens and Hercules (who struggles with the snake), then to Lira, Cepheus and Aquarius in the Heaven of Heavens. Each had further meaning. Cepheus also means the rock and the philosopher's stone. It was the gold needed to make gold in alchemy and was the second to the last step in the jouney. Aquarius represented the living water, wisdom, enlightenment and the grail or writing of g(G)od(s). In the Old Testament of the Bible, it mentions (sorry I can't remember which book in it) that the pharoahs were rotting in their graves, implying they didn't get to Cepheus or acquire its, perhaps, enlightening meanings. The New Testament then goes on to use metaphor where Christ takes the journey and arises from hell, so Christians don't have to. They get the metaphorical meaning of the fish or Pisces. This is also a constellation near Aquarius. So the Egyptians and the Christians were suggesting astronomical routes to Aquarius. Why? I am not sure, but there is geometry to it also that also points there and this is the constellation associated with true illumination. Thus any Illuminati would have had to understand all that in its various application to different disciplines. Interestingly, the United Nations has a meditation room in the basement with a giant iron block in the middle of it. It can represent the philosopher's stone which is also the gold needed to make gold or Cepheus. They don't have however, anything representing Aquarius or the water -- also a metphor for wisdom.

Personally, I think if the Illuminati exist as an organized group somewhere that they haven't figured it all out either. The stories all have Lira as an important step in the journey. That's the harp. Music seems to be the key to figuring out much of the mysterious things of the past. It is know known that the Sumerians, using what we used to think of as numerology, actually were writing about music harmonics. There is much to learn about the past. They merged all the disciplines and as a result, I think they were well versed in Jungian archtypes and their connection to music among many other things. Somewhere someplace there could be someone who knows, or perhaps it is just an ongoing journey of repition through overtones.
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PostPosted: 27-08-2005 01:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vast percentage of the materials on the Illuminati spread around the Internet tend to be Disinformationist, Neutralist and just plain goody - a few facts of history mixed up with bits and pieces concerning "flying saucers," aliens, Reptilians (whatever those are supposed to be), Richard Shaver and his cavern Deros, Anti-Semitic diatribes and so on, most of this gunk so wild and wacky and so totally undocumented that these fantasies don't even qualify as "factoids."

But back durirg the Nineteenth Century, especially the first half, research into the Illuminati was quite serious stuff. Research materials from that period were based on Adam Wesihaupt's own holograph manuscripts and these demonstrate rather conclusively that his goal was to destroy civilization so that a New Order could be constructed upon the reduced-to-gravel ruins of the Old.

All that responsible Conspiritologists claim is that Weishaupt's ideas contributded directly to the fomenting of the French Revolution - which was NOT a GOOD thing. And that those same ideas can be traced from the Jacobins to the Neo-Jacobins of Graccus Babeuf (who tried to re-kindle the Terror three years after the guillotines were dismantled), to the Carbonari, to Young Europe, to the League of Just Men (AKA The League of the Just) and to the Communist Party of Karl Marx. (And please note that many early Communist theoreticians and historians CLAIMED this heritage!)

There was indeed widely-circulated publicity that the Illuminati was suppressed by the Bavarian Government in 1785, and there were even encouraged rumors that the Illuminist leaders were all beheaded. In actuality, the sternest punishment given any Illuminati member was a sentence of six months' imprisonment, and the culprint received permission to serve that sentence in a monestery. Weishaupt himself survived for an additional 47 years.

The Illuminati itself merely changed i's name to the German Union (Germanien Union) and this was directly ancestral to the Tungendbund (German students unions). A fairly convincing descent can be drawn from the German Union and the Tugenbund to the Anti-Semitic German university student organizations of Adolf Hitler's day.

No Reptile-Men "Illuminati," flashing around the Universe in George Adamski-style flying saucers need apply.
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PostPosted: 05-12-2013 15:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

This story could just as easily have been posted on the new Kardashians thread. But, why not give this old thread an airing, instead?
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Does the Kardashians' Christmas card hide a secret Illuminati message?

I'd say probably not. But then again, if I were part of a shadowy media cover-up, that's exactly what I would say

theguardian.com, Lanre Bakare 5 December 2013

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo252/Pursuivant/kardashian-008_zps4dbd1374.jpg
The Kardashian Christmas card: 'gaudy clickbait replete with thinly veiled digs
at celebrity culture'.
Photograph: David Lachapelle


Self-styled celebrity super family the Kardashians love their annual Christmas card. Over the years they've built up a smorgasboard of festive snaps, which have become more overblown as the family has slowly risen up the celebrity food chain. Last year's was an all-white number with ticker tape and bubbly, which made it look as if they were trapped in a 2013 version of The Crystal Maze, but this year their yuletide snap went further and almost broke the internet.

Looking like a mix between a scene from Boogie Nights and the interior of a jazzed up Blackpool Pleasure Beach arcade, it's gaudy clickbait replete with thinly veiled digs at celebrity culture. Their subtle subliminal missives are communicated via piles of trashy magazine covers, Bruce Jenner trapped in a tube and graffiti that says stuff like "fame". Most media outlets took the card at face value and instinctively laughed heartily at it, before mocking the Kardashians and moving on, but others looked a bit deeper and started to see the HIDDEN ILLUMINATI MESSAGES.

Conspiracy theorist and shouty bloke du jour Alex Jones summed it up, calling the card "a rather grim and depressing summation of the entertainment world", which most people would happily agree with. But then he went on to add the whole thing was a homage to the "shadowy elite that is turning popular culture into a toxic wasteland". At that point most people switched off, but then even mainstream news sources started to ask; what is the secret Illuminati message? It's a question that has increasingly been asked of celebs linked to hip-hop over the last decade, with artists such as Jay-Z regularly having to bat away accusations that he's part of an occult conspiracy. And Hova is far from the only rapper accused of having Illuminati ties.

An internet search for Canadian cry-baby rap star Drake, for example, will throw up a treasure trove of Illuminati hip-hop conspiracy material. It ranges from Drake being in cahoots with crack-smoking Toronto mayor Rob Ford, to the fact that his clothing line features an owl (which is a sure sign of Illuminatiness) and theories that his tracklists contain hidden messages about the end of the world. The rabbit hole goes even deeper with a whole host of outlandish theories about the death of Tupac, which mostly revolve around him being murdered by the Illuminati with Kanye West and Jay-Z (of course) masterminding the whole shady operation.

Rappers are just the latest fall guys and they've taken the place of rock stars, who were regularly accused of occult connections in the 70s. David Bowie's interest in the work of Aleister Crowley around the time of his Berlin triptych which manifested itself via lyrical hat tips, and the Beatles' decision to include Crowley on the cover of Sgt Pepper's was enough to have them accused of dark connections.

So are the Kardashians simply the latest celebrity Illuminati messengers? Probably not – it's more likely they are just the latest celebrities to understand the publicity-spinning potential of Easter egg-laden promo shots that can be interpreted as having a darker meaning. But then again I would say that, wouldn't I? I could be part of the shadowy media cover-up squad.

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I find it hard trying to imagine living in a World where that card might be considered, festive. Must be getting old. Laughing
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PostPosted: 05-12-2013 18:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not rude enough to be festive.
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Guardia helpfully supplies Illuminati passnotes.
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http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2013/dec/18/illuminati-secret-society-conspiracy-jay-z

Passnotes: A humorous Q&A about a news issue of the day.

The Illuminati: the secret society pulling the strings of every major organisation in the world

You only have to look at that hand thing Jay Z does, or Lindsay Lohan's tattoos, or the Guardian's articles on quinoa to know that everyone is part of the great conspiracy

The Guardian. Passnotes No 3,238. 18. December .13


Name: The Illuminati.

Age: 237.

Appearance: A pyramid with an eye on it, a hand signal, a tattoo on a rapper's back, a giant lizard dressed as the Queen. Take your pick.

Really? Are we still pretending that the Illuminati is a thing? Of course it's a thing. Haven't you seen the signs? Haven't you read Dan Brown? Haven't you heard We Do, the Stonecutters' Song, from that episode of The Simpsons?

You're referencing works of fiction here. It's fact. He might look like a simpering, polo-necked millionaire, but Brown exposed the real truth about the Illuminati.

Which is? It's a shadowy conspiracy that has existed since the dawn of time, secretly pulling the strings of every major organisation in the world. It manipulates finances and dictates policy so as to usher in a terrifying new world order.

The dawn of time? But it's only 237 years old. Well, if you want to swallow society's blue pill, then we're discussing the Bavarian Illuminati, a secret society opposed to superstition, abuse of state power and religious influence that was formed in 1776 and disbanded in 1785. But that's what they want you to think. The truth is much more sinister. Even celebrities are in on it.

Really? Yes, according to the latest, absolutely conclusive, reports. Look at Lindsay Lohan's tattoos. Or Lady Gaga's videos. Or that hand thing that Jay Z does. Or the way Barack Obama shakes hands with the pope.

But surely this can all be attributed to people reading too much into innocuous happenstance, because believing that we're all being controlled by secret organisations is much less frightening than accepting the lonely purposeless reality of life on Earth? No. Shut up. Everyone's in the Illuminati.

Everyone? Even the Guardian? Especially the Guardian. What are all those articles about quinoa for, if not to deliberately make it too expensive for Bolivians and further the rise of McDonald's, which is also part of the Illuminati, in the developing world?

Damn, rumbled [disappears in a puff of smoke]. I knew it.

Do say: "Every third letter of every fifth sentence of this article makes up an anagram. Decode that for the real truth."

Don't say: Anything rational in the comments.

So, now you know.
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PostPosted: 18-12-2013 19:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, now I understand
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