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PostPosted: 03-06-2003 20:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless they'd misconstrued the events on Alderney, which was evacuated by its civilian population during the war and inhabited by German personnel . . .

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PostPosted: 26-07-2003 09:37    Post subject: Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin air Reply with quote

From Tuesday's Scotsman
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AN AIRPORT used by hundreds of thousands of tourists and business travellers each year could be sitting on top of thousands of live bombs.

Papers among thousands of files captured from the Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, claim tons of live Second World War munitions were buried in concrete bunkers beneath the runways of Schoenefeld airport in East Berlin. It is now the main destination for discount airlines, such as Ryanair, and numerous charter companies.

Not only did the commissars intern munitions beneath the runways, but also entire Nazi fighter planes, all fuelled and fully bombed-up, according to the Stasi.

The captured files of Interflug, the former East German government airline and the airport authority of the DDR, are now being examined to see if the Stasi claim is true.

Experts believe it entirely feasible that, in the aftermath of the Second World War, with Berlin littered with millions of tons of unexploded ordnance, the Soviets could well have pressured local officials to move to clear the airfield as swiftly as possible.

"They would have stuffed them anywhere they could - there was simply too much stuff to blow up all at once," said Karl-Heinz Eckhardt, a Berlin historian. "There was a warren of massive Nazi bunkers beneath the site of the present airport that would have suited their purposes."
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PostPosted: 26-07-2003 10:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Spitfire story reminds me of something I read a while ago about American GIs burying loads of supplies in, I think, Savernake Forest near Marlborough, Wiltshire, when they were sent home after the end of WWII. Supposedly this included loads of Jeeps. But a check search on Google didn't throw anything up, so I can't verify the story.

The Steam Engines that Inverurie Jones mentions were supposedly stored in Box Tunnel: if you go through the tunnel on a train and look in the right place you can see tracks leading off the main Swindon-Bristol railway line and disappearing through an iron door.... I have a friend who has been in there and he say he never saw any steam trains. What he did see, and why he was there, he isn't telling - Official Secrets Act!
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PostPosted: 28-07-2003 10:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for a while for a railway maintenance company, and had to sign the OSA. Lots of tunnels have sidings and sub-tunnels built into them, apparently.
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PostPosted: 28-07-2003 16:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prospect wrote:



The Steam Engines that Inverurie Jones mentions were supposedly stored in Box Tunnel: if you go through the tunnel on a train and look in the right place you can see tracks leading off the main Swindon-Bristol railway line and disappearing through an iron door.... I have a friend who has been in there and he say he never saw any steam trains. What he did see, and why he was there, he isn't telling - Official Secrets Act!


The complex at Box Tunnel is codenamed TURNSTILE and was an evacuation center for the government in the event of nuclear war. I think its been abandoned now. I think I read about it in "The Secret State: Whitehall and the Cold War" by Peter Hennessy
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PostPosted: 07-08-2003 20:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazi warships resurface in Serbia
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THE wreckage of sunken Nazi warships has resurfaced along a stretch of the Danube River in eastern Serbia after the waterway receded to an unprecedented low amid a heat wave and drought.

The rusty 60-year-old remnants of several warships, believed parts of Germany's Black Sea Fleet, have begun protruding in recent days above the surface of the normally wide and deep river near the eastern Serbian town of Prahovo, 180km east of the capital, Belgrade.
In the stretch where the ships have surfaced, the river has fallen to barely 3 metres from its normal level of 15 metres, as Europe experiences one of its worst heat waves in decades.

"The Danube is at its lowest level since records began here in 1888," Srdja Popovic, an environment official in the Serbian government, said today.

The lower water level has also hampered navigation.

The vessels are believed to have been deliberately blown up by retreating German troops who wanted to hamper the movement of Soviet forces in the final stages of World War II.
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PostPosted: 20-08-2003 21:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some reason, FT's Breaking News has given the Scotsman link for buried a/c in Berlin (see Niles' post above) again today - a month late!

Did they think we wouldn't notice? roll eyes (sarcastic)
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PostPosted: 21-08-2003 20:24    Post subject: Nazi Planes and Bombs buried under airport? Reply with quote

I knew I saw something like this recently: here is a story from the New Scotsman about Nazi aircraft and bombs being buried under an East Berlin airport used by 2 million people a year:

Link to Buried Airplane Story

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If this is true, all I can say is "Oy, gevalt!" Buried "treasure" with booby-traps worthy of an Indiana Jones movie. Come to think of it, great ending scene for a sequel: blow up a massive European airport complex after Indiana Jones finds the Nazi Hoard containing Ekekiel's Wheel (a giant alien mothership).

Copyright on this idea asserted by littleblackduck, August 21, 2003. Mr. Beatty can contact me via the Fortean Times webmaster. I'll keep an eye ope' for those buckets of Hollywood gelt.
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PostPosted: 19-09-2003 20:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

The story about low river levels in the Danube, which I posted above over a month ago, has finally reached the BBC!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3122128.stm

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PostPosted: 22-09-2003 07:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst in the RAF, I did three "tours" (nine years) at RAF Gutersloh in Germany. The Yanks took the airfield during the last push at the end of the war, and much of the German equipment was just buried where it stood.

Once, while working in the Hydraulic Bay, I was idly looking out of the window at a german workman who was digging a trench beneath it, when he pulled out a machine gun complete with tripod and belted ammunition! Occaisionally, an unexploded bomb or a cache of explosive material would be unearthed, which had to be destroyed by a controlled explosion.

Interestingly, the Luftwaffe airfield at Gutersloh could be flooded, giving it the appearance of a lake to allied spotters - sneaky or what?

Also, whilst on the subject of Gutersloh, a room in the Officers Mess has a trick ceiling. at the press of a button, one of the wooden ceiling beams falls down at an alarming angle. Apparantly, this was installed by Hermann Goering, who was an incorrageable practical joker, and would activate it whilst chatting to people in his office.


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PostPosted: 25-05-2004 09:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an area of Chilbolton Down in Hampshire near where my parents used to live that has actually been known as Spitfire Dump since the war. The area was used by the Allies, and the remains of buildings and concrete runways still exist there. The story goes that when the US troops pulled out, all the leftover equipment ect. was used as backfill for the large empty underground aviation fuel tanks, including Jeeps and Harley's, as it was considered uneconomical to ship them back. If it's true, I expect anything would have been ruined by groundwater years ago. It would seem to be a pretty good example for anyone who wanted to prove the veracity of the UL, though.

Here's an arial photo, where the runways can be clearly seen.
Multimap arial photo- Spitfire Dump, Chilbolton

And here is is on the map.
It's the green area around the parking symbol.
Spitfire Dump on Multimap
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PostPosted: 30-05-2004 15:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hurrah, a chance to add to one of our more intersting threads. Not quite buried, and a hurricine not a spitfire, but interesting nonetheless.

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Dig to find crashed WWII plane


A team of diggers are planning to hunt for a World War II fighter plane which crashed after downing a Nazi bomber near Buckingham Palace.
Pilot Ray Holmes ran out of ammunition so flew his Hurricane into the German Dornier on 15 September 1940.

He managed to use his aircraft to slice off the bomber's tail and he bailed out before his plane hit Buckingham Palace Road at the junction with Ebury Bridge.

A team will be filmed live as they try to find the plane's shell on Sunday.

If they succeed, it will go on display as part of Westminster's West End at War weekend on 12 and 13 June.

But the team are not expecting to find it resembles the plane much - it hit the ground at about 350 miles an hour.

Bomber 'heading for palace'

It is thought the German bomber may have been on a mission to destroy Buckingham Palace.

Footage of the crash survives and will be broadcast on a giant screen in Leicester Square during the weekend of events.

Mr Holmes, now 89, has been interviewed for a documentary by Channel 5, which is also broadcasting the dig live on Sunday night.

Tim Owen, from Westminster City Council, said: "Westminster Council has pulled out all the stops to facilitate this historic excavation."

But he added there would be some traffic disruption, with diversions around Ebury Bridge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3760097.stm
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all the d day hoha reminds me of a story told me but and old guy. He was a kid in Falmouth in the war and saw the Americans loading up trucks , tanks, jeeps etc on to LCT's (landing craft tank).. he said the morning they departed they tried each vehicul on board the boat...and if they didnt start forst time, just pushed them straight in the bay, to reload something more reliable!.... rather funny too that everyone knew the date of D-day here...one day every road and field was coverd in stuff the next it was gon.
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PostPosted: 31-05-2004 00:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WWII hero's lost Hurricane found
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3762715.stm

The engine and control panel of a World War II Hurricane that crashed near Buckingham Palace after destroying a Luftwaffe bomber has been found.

A digging team spent Sunday excavating a site in Westminster, where they discovered the plane's firing button.

During the Battle of Britain, pilot Ray Holmes, now 89, ran out of ammunition so he flew his Hurricane into a German Dornier bomber on 15 September 1940.

He used his aircraft to slice off the bomber's tail before bailing out.
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PostPosted: 01-06-2004 12:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

sjwk wrote:

WWII hero's lost Hurricane found


I watched the program about this on Channel 5. Pretty good but as so often spoiled by over-excited presenters.
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