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PostPosted: 25-04-2002 21:14    Post subject: Absolutely Hideous and Disturbing "Prank-Gone-Wrong&quo Reply with quote

THREE CLEARED OVER 'JOKE' EMAIL TO KNIFE HORROR FATHER

"Three workers have been cleared of forgery after sending joke emails about a fake business trip to a rival. The man later had a mental breakdown and stabbed his 12-year-old daughter to death. Andy Hall, from Monmouthshire, plunged a 14-inch carving knife into his daughter Emma's heart the day he returned from the made-up business trip to India in June 2000. Jeremy Aston, Raymond Ball and Ivan Lucas, from a rival firm, admitted sending emails to Mr Hall about meeting a non-existent client in India, but insisted it was a practical joke. Hall took the emails seriously and travelled to India to attend the meeting, only to find it was not real. At Cardiff Crown Court, the jury, which was not told of the death of Hall's daughter, found the trio not guilty after about two hours of deliberation. Mr Aston, 44, of Rhiwbina, Cardiff; Mr Ball, 40, of Thornhill, Cardiff, and Mr Lucas, 31, of Monmouth; had denied one count of forgery between May 17, 2000, and July 20, 2000. Hall, previously of Mountview, Whitelye, Catbrook in Monmouthshire was found not guilty of murder by reason of insanity at his trial in December 2000 and remains in hospital. Following his trial in December 2000, his family issued a statement blaming the emails as the "catalyst for this tragedy", but Judge Christopher Llewellyn Jones QC said the incidents were not linked. The three men sent the emails to their former employer, for which Andy Hall worked, the medical testing equipment company Molecular Light Technology, based in Cardiff, as part of an office joke. They pretended to be a non-existent Indian businessman called Dr Sunil Hankawanka who was interesting in the supply of benzene testing kits. Messages, to which Hall began to reply, were sent by the trio in bad, broken English, once requesting a translation from Mr Hall into Urdu. After leaving MLT, Ball and Aston had set up their own company, AB Biomonitoring, and computer worker Lucas joined them at a later date. Ball told the court that he was concerned for the security of his emails being sent to an old MLT mail box and sent the messages to the company as a test of its integrity. More than 30 emails were eventually sent between Andy Hall and "Dr Hankawanka" and Hall eventually arranged to travel to India, but discovered the doctor did not exist after arriving in the country. Returning to the UK, paranoid schizophrenic Hall, who thought he was Jesus Christ, killed his daughter less than 12 hours after arriving home. The teenager was asleep in her bed when Hall attacked her in the belief she would come back to life after her death. He had planned to kill his entire family including his wife Karen and his son James, then 10, and commit suicide believing this would save 15 other Christian families from death. But Hall's wife and his son fled the house in a fit of panic believing her husband was trying to also kill James.

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PostPosted: 25-04-2002 21:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

They won't do that again then.
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PostPosted: 25-04-2002 22:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

beakboo wrote:

They won't do that again then.

If you mean the hoaxers, they got off, so no deterrent there.

As in the 'murder' trial in London which today acquited a gang of shits of murder. Perhaps this was not a murder, or if it was they did not commit it, but they are still a gang of shits.

They had previously been freed of a charge of indecent assault on a young girl. All the stories can come out now the trial is over.

The sort of thing that leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.
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PostPosted: 25-04-2002 22:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

rynner wrote:

The sort of thing that leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.


Hear, hear. This is a revolting incident.

I suspect (and I f*cking well hope)that the defendants didn't know their victim had a history of mental illness and so the judge 'winked' at them since they were mortified at the result -- they were 'guilty' morally, but not legally ... if you see what I mean.

If they did know ... which the judge's ruling makes me doubt, please God let me be right for my faith ... then they ought to be drowned.

Yes. Hideous, hideous story. I don't even want to think about thinking about thinking about what must have gone on in that poor bloke's head.

Although I hope the acquitted are clear about their own consciences, I hope that this serves as a warning to others. Hoaxes are funny ... if they don't damage anyone.

(Not going to comment on the Taylor verdict for legal reasons)
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PostPosted: 25-04-2002 23:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

This tragedy sounds like it had to happen, all it needed was a final trigger. In a normal state of mind would you answer mail from a "Dr.Hankawanka" (except on this board perhaps?roll eyes (sarcastic) ) Sad as often in these cases, the warnings signs are there but not picked up or acted upon in time.
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PostPosted: 25-04-2002 23:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

brian ellwood wrote:

would you answer mail from a "Dr.Hankawanka" (except on this board perhaps?roll eyes (sarcastic) ) Sad as often in these cases, the warnings signs are there but not picked up or acted upon in time.


Well, apart from the question of 'did they know he was ill?', it does make you wonder .... but that's one for the 'weird names' thread.

I can't believe that they didn't know he was ill.
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PostPosted: 25-04-2002 23:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people hide it very well.
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PostPosted: 25-04-2002 23:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

No offence, mate, but with this magnitude of joke, I can't believe it makes much difference ...
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PostPosted: 26-04-2002 00:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry? I'm not meaning to be awkward, it's just that you lost me there.
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PostPosted: 26-04-2002 00:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riiiight ...

I was assuming that your 'some people hide it very well' remark referred to the victim's schizophrenia. I didn't take massive offence at it -- just didn't think it was an appropriate response.

If it didn't (refer to the victim's state), then my apologies -- I misunderstood you.

But, as I say, I didn't mean any offence to you personally for rebuffing it either way.
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PostPosted: 26-04-2002 00:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry. I wasn't being flippant. I think I may just thought that he'd managed to hide it from his workmates. Not likely, but possible? I don't know, I've never known anyone who suffered from schizophrenia, so I could be talking out of the wrong end.
I'm not being very perceptive right now; I've been writing an essay on Jacobitism for eight hours and I'm on the verge of passing out on my keyboard.
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PostPosted: 26-04-2002 07:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the problem with schizophrenia - it can go undiagnosed for years. My mate's dad succumbed to it, and it was only spotted a few years later when he went utterly loopy one evening - up until then the family had all assumed he was just getting a little eccentric with advancing age, when later it transpired (after months of psychiatric counselling) that he'd been becoming gradually more and more convinced that his family were "out to get him"; cos he thought he'd be banged up by his family if this manifested itself he kept it to himself until one day the pressure just got too great. Thankfully no-one was hurt when he did go, but that was more luck than anything else.

Now he's doped up to the toupee 24/7, but he's not dangerous to himself or others, and back at home.
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PostPosted: 26-04-2002 16:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

garrick92 wrote:

Riiiight ...

I was assuming that your 'some people hide it very well' remark referred to the victim's schizophrenia. I didn't take massive offence at it -- just didn't think it was an appropriate response.

If it didn't (refer to the victim's state), then my apologies -- I misunderstood you.

Why shouldn't it refer to the victim's state? Some people do hide psychiatric illness very well. Why is IJ apologising? Did I miss a meeting?
When I said "they won't do that again" I'm assuming they had no idea he was ill and are completely destroyed by the consequences of their actions. As I would be if I was the type who played practical jokes (which I'm not).
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PostPosted: 26-04-2002 16:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

beakboo wrote:

Why shouldn't it refer to the victim's state? Some people do hide psychiatric illness very well. Why is IJ apologising? Did I miss a meeting?


I don't think you missed a meeting, so much as turned over two pages at once -- and I think I may have done, too! Yes, some people do hide psychiatric illnesses very well -- my point about it not being 'an appropriate response' was that it would be a horrifically malicious and destructive thing to do to anyone, sane or not!

I wasn't demanding an apology from anyone, at all: I don't think I would have that right -- and in fact I was apologising in advance for any misunderstanding. Frankly, I am now rather confused ...

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When I said "they won't do that again" I'm assuming they had no idea he was ill and are completely destroyed by the consequences of their actions. As I would be if I was the type who played practical jokes (which I'm not).


Yup. But they got away with it, when it was a clearly premeditated case of fraud. Perhaps that's the family's fault for pursuing the wrong charges, I'm a bit hazy on the details of this case. But the judge ought to have mentioned it in his summing up, at the very least.


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Yes they "got away with it" in the strict legal sense, but there are other punishments. If I did anything that had consequences like that, I think I might welcome being imprisoned because it would ease my hidious guilt. Being questioned, charged and brought to court in a case like this must be a horrific nightmare in itself.
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