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PostPosted: 07-09-2009 18:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No Convincing Evidence Reflexology Works, Australia
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/163145.php
07 Sep 2009

An extensive review has failed to find good evidence which convincingly demonstrates reflexology (a practice involving applying pressure to, or, massaging feet) is an effective treatment for any medical conditions.

Details of the review, conducted by Dr Edzard Ernst, Director of Complementary Medicine at the Peninsula Medical School in the United Kingdom, were published in the Medical Journal of Australia.

"There is little doubt that a foot massage is pleasantly relaxing, however specific medical claims should always be supported by sound evidence," Dr Ernst said.

"In the case of reflexology, this unfortunately does not appear to be the case."

Dr Ernst searched six electronic databases and identified 217 trials related to reflexology.

After the methodological quality of the trials was assessed by two independent reviewers, all but 18 randomised controlled trials were excluded from the review.

Of these 18 remaining studies, 12 failed to show convincingly that reflexology is an effective treatment, five suggested positive effects and the direction of one result was unclear.

"The methodological quality was often poor, and sample sizes were generally low," Dr Ernst said.

"Most higher-quality trials did not generate positive findings."

Dr Ernst warned patients against using reflexology as a diagnostic tool.

"Most proponents of reflexology would argue that this method is free of risks," he said.

"However, if used as a diagnostic tool, it will generate false-positive and false-negative diagnoses. Moreover, if employed as an alternative therapy to treat serious conditions, reflexology can be life-threatening."

The Medical Journal of Australia is a publication of the Australian Medical Association.

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PostPosted: 09-10-2009 16:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Calif. doc who hailed herbal cancer cure arrested
http://www.physorg.com/print174294287.html
October 9th, 2009 in Medicine & Health / Cancer

(AP) -- Dr. Christine Daniel promised to her patients what many considered the improbable - the chance to cure cancer through an herbal treatment.

Using her influence as an ordained Pentecostal minister, Daniel tapped into the vessel of faith to entice people from across the nation to try her regimen. She even appeared on cable's Trinity Broadcasting Network in December 2002 touting her cancer cure and its 60 percent success rate, according to federal investigators.

Daniel, 55, of Los Angeles was arrested and charged Thursday with two counts each of wire and mail fraud and faces up to 80 years in prison if convicted. She is scheduled to appear in federal court Friday.

A phone message left for Daniel's attorney, Manuel Miller, was not immediately returned.

Daniel was interviewed by investigators in August 2004, and she denied ever practicing alternative medicine for cancer, court documents show. She also attested that she never talked about a 60 percent cancer cure rate on television.

In court documents, authorities contend Daniel took advantage of terminally ill cancer patients in their darkest hours, some of whom desperately sought alternative measures after enduring draining rounds of chemotherapy and radiation.

In all, federal prosecutors said Daniel siphoned about $1.1 million from 55 families between 2001 and 2004. Six patients ranging in age from 4 to 69 died within seven months after seeing Daniel.

One of those was Margaret Antwi, who traveled from Africa and was diagnosed with melanoma in 2003. Her daughter, Christiana Kwakye, was channel surfing one night after spending hours by her mother's hospital bed when she came across a testimonial about Daniel's treatment.

Kwakye, 41, of Minneapolis, cobbled together money with her four siblings and paid about $3,500 for a shipment sent from Daniel's offices. Antwi drank the brown liquid and soon after Kwakye called a number and prayed with a woman on the other line.

"At that stage you do anything," Kwakye said, trying to explain why they entrusted Daniel. "I should have known better. My mental state wasn't clear at that time."

Antwi's family bought another round of medicine that cost about $5,000 after Daniel bumped them up to a higher concentration that would be more effective. Antwi died a couple of weeks later at age 62. She had been hopeful Daniel's treatment would work as promised, Kwakye said.

"I struggle with the fact that she (Daniel) wasn't true," she said. "Being a doctor, they do no harm. Why would she do that?"

Other patients traveled to California and stayed at local motels while they were being treated, court documents show.

Prosecutors said Daniel even fleeced other clergy. In late 2003, George McKinney, who founded St. Stephen's Cathedral Church of God in Christ in San Diego, agreed to have his wife, Jean, treated by Daniel. The couple moved into their son's home in Los Angeles, and Jean McKinney took an herbal mixture three to four times a day for her terminal colon cancer.

Daniel also used a heat machine that was supposed to reduce the tumor, authorities said. The couple paid Daniel more than $100,000. Jean McKinney died in June 2004.

A phone message seeking comment from George McKinney wasn't returned.
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 16:48    Post subject: I had this argument today Reply with quote

This woman I know is going to have homeopathic threatment for some *****cough***** lady problems and I was asking her quite honestly how they can make this magic water only remeber the last drug it had in it and not remember the infinite number of other drugs its had going through it, and I wasn't trying to wind her up I was just asking how she thought it worked , and she went potty.
I dunno do homeopaths think it all works by magic or what?
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 17:03    Post subject: Re: I had this argument today Reply with quote

I'm not sure that they think at all.
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 17:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it like to live a life without wonder or any kind of imagination whatsoever?
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 17:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cavynaut wrote:
What is it like to live a life without wonder or any kind of imagination whatsoever?


What kind of question is that? You're not seriously suggesting that a belief in the efficacy of quack medicine and having an imagination are in any way conditional upon each other?
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 17:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is it like to live a life without wonder or any kind of imagination whatsoever?

Its quite useful actualy not to have a mind so open you can feel the breeze going through it, it means I won't be killed by quack doctors.I do hope the homeopathy isn't all based on imagination.
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 18:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you please learn how to use the forum correctly?



The imagination is what makes placebos work. For you to take away that ladies chance at healing herself is cruel.
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 18:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

tonyblair11 wrote:
Can you please learn how to use the forum correctly?



The imagination is what makes placebos work. For you to take away that ladies chance at healing herself is cruel.

And if she has something that cannot be cured by a placebo and lets say the worst came to the worst and she dies from some serious illness who would be in the wrong? Should the homeopathy practitioner stand trial for manslaughter?
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 18:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

tonyblair11 wrote:
Can you please learn how to use the forum correctly?


Does this refer to something specific?


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The imagination is what makes placebos work. For you to take away that ladies chance at healing herself is cruel.


And someone making money out of pretending to heal her isn't?
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 18:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

tonyblair11 wrote:
Can you please learn how to use the forum correctly?



The imagination is what makes placebos work. For you to take away that ladies chance at healing herself is cruel.

as for using the forum correctly goes, the idea of being Fortean in outlook is to ask questions and not stop asking questions even if the answers are not very paletable.
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 18:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr_Baltar wrote:
tonyblair11 wrote:
Can you please learn how to use the forum correctly?


Does this refer to something specific?


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The imagination is what makes placebos work. For you to take away that ladies chance at healing herself is cruel.


And someone making money out of pretending to heal her isn't?



We already have a thread for this and if he were to actually start a thread correctly it should not have an anonymous title. It's either a case of laziness or not understanding how to use a forum.



It isn't cruel for someone to make money off something that helps to heal someone. It's what doctors do.
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 19:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

tonyblair11 wrote:

We already have a thread for this and if he were to actually start a thread correctly it should not have an anonymous title. It's either a case of laziness or not understanding how to use a forum.


Gotcha.


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It isn't cruel for someone to make money off something that helps to heal someone. It's what doctors do.


Thta's rather disingenuous. Doctors don't sell placebos, they prescribe clinically tested and proven medicine. Homeopaths aren't trained in clinical diagnosis. They can be, and often are, a danger to their "patients".

There's also quite a difference between issuing a placebo for backache and one for lung cancer.
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 19:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagination and plecebos....hmmmmm. surely you mean suggestion and gullibility? The only imagination is the symptoms initially. Homeopaths... quack quack. I can't see the argument. Karl asked a serious and logical question to someone. If you personally believe in pseudo-science, then why kick off when someone 'grins'?
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PostPosted: 20-10-2009 23:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you hear about the homeopath who fell off a boat and into the ocean? He died from an overdose. Very Happy
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