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LaurenChurchill Pretty Good Old One
No I am NOT a yeti Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Total posts: 933 Location: Oz Age: 27 Gender: Female |
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Yes. Duly noted. You know, I really have to LOOK for already-present forums on the topic I want to start.
Sorry bout that peeps. |
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| Atch_ Tosspot
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| Posted: 03-11-2003 16:28 Post subject: Rennes-le-Chateau |
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Why has nobody (that I know of anyway) pointed out that the word 'Arcadia' can be broken down into two latin words - 'Arca' and 'Dia'
The noun arca can be taken as "Wealth" and dia can mean "A long time." Et can be "also" as well as "even."
Thus the phrase "Et in Arcadia ego" could be translated (if you take the word arcadia to be "arca dia" to:
"I am also rich for a long time."
Hmm. |
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| H_James Ancient Cow (&)
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| Posted: 03-11-2003 16:31 Post subject: |
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| could you elaborate on the context into which this piece of information is significant? |
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| Atch_ Tosspot
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| Posted: 03-11-2003 16:33 Post subject: |
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Rennes-le-Chateau.
As it says on the tin.
The tomb inscription - Lady d'Houpoul's grave. |
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| Stormkhan Disturbingly familiar Joined: 28 May 2003 Total posts: 5330 Location: Robin Hood country. Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 03-11-2003 18:00 Post subject: |
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So part of the Rennes mystery is the phrase "I am also rich for a long time".
This isn't a clue to a location; this is another interpretation. The stone which gave the basis for this painting might (in a real long shot) be a triangulaton point but if you wanted to keep a treasure secret, you wouldn't give obvious clues to its location.
You either hide something or you don't! |
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| Cavynaut Skoumed!
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| Posted: 03-11-2003 18:56 Post subject: |
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| Stormkhan wrote: |
So part of the Rennes mystery is the phrase "I am also rich for a long time". |
Perhaps the wealth implied is that of knowledge? Knowledge of a secret perhaps? |
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| Atch_ Tosspot
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| Posted: 04-11-2003 00:56 Post subject: |
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| Has the grave been exhumed/investigated in any way? Maybe the secret lies wilth the Lady? |
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| Cavynaut Skoumed!
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| Posted: 04-11-2003 01:05 Post subject: |
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| Atch wrote: |
Has the grave been exhumed/investigated in any way? Maybe the secret lies wilth the Lady? |
It's empty I think. |
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| Atch_ Tosspot
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| Posted: 04-11-2003 01:10 Post subject: |
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Ah. Exactly.
I think? |
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| Anonymous |
| Posted: 04-11-2003 01:38 Post subject: Re: Rennes-le-Chateau |
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| Atch wrote: |
The noun arca can be taken as "Wealth" and dia can mean "A long time." Et can be "also" as well as "even."
Thus the phrase "Et in Arcadia ego" could be translated (if you take the word arcadia to be "arca dia" to:
"I am also rich for a long time." |
"Dia" is a Greek preposition with the basic meaning "through" -- were you mistaking it for "diu" perhaps?
Also, "in arca diu ego" would look more like "I'm dead for a long time" -- "arca" is literally "box", and it's used of coffins as well as of money-boxes. |
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| Atch_ Tosspot
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| Posted: 04-11-2003 02:15 Post subject: |
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Dia - a day long. Also "a long time" figuratively.
Arca does indeed mean "a box", "a coffer", also "wealth." |
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| inkedmagiclady Queen of the Universe
Joined: 18 Sep 2003 Total posts: 697 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Age: 49 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-11-2003 02:29 Post subject: |
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So if it means
| Quote: | | "I am also rich for a long time." |
Who is it referring to?
What are some of the other interpretations of the phrase? |
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| ttaarraass Joined: 27 Oct 2002 Total posts: 1634 Location: Cambridge Gender: Male |
| Posted: 04-11-2003 13:45 Post subject: |
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| If that phrase had appeared anywhere else you wouldn't be interpreting it that way, though. You're applying what you know, or want to be the case, on the meaning. |
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| phi23 Psychogeographer
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| Posted: 04-11-2003 13:52 Post subject: |
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Et in Arcadia Ego - has a simple meaning - it is written on a tomb because it means "I (death) am present even in paradise".
As far as I know the tomb itself was dynamited by the farmer on who's land it was because he was sick of people trespassing on his fields trying to break into it. |
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| Atch_ Tosspot
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| Posted: 04-11-2003 14:08 Post subject: |
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| pi23 wrote: |
Et in Arcadia Ego - has a simple meaning - it is written on a tomb because it means "I (death) am present even in paradise". |
I know. And a tomb has a simple purpose - to put dead people in.
It was just a thought. Like the thoughts that have led people to spend years postulising links to the parchments of Abbe Bigou and pointers to features in the landscape from clues on the tomb and so on.
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