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Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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Are there important journals/magazines which are of interest to Forteans that are beyond copyright?
I spotted a reference to an important black dog study from volume 49 of Folklore 1938) and I assume it probably has quite a few important articles.
Quixote: Excellent stuff there - literature can often shape our interpretations of anomalous events and they are all important works in the various fields.
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| TheQuixote Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Total posts: 4085 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 26-11-2003 17:34 Post subject: Flying Saucer Stuff..... |
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A 'Classic Contactee' site here
George Adamski 'Inside the Spaceships' online text
A classic UFO journal here 'Enemies from Outer Space' 1967
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Posted: 27-11-2003 03:01 Post subject: |
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While I think of it Chapter 7 of the Reverend Henry Cheever's "The Whale and His Captors" (published 1853) is available online:
http://www.du.edu/~ttyler/ploughboy/cheever.htm#chapvii
Technically all of his book is available there but Chapter 7 is the one which includes the information about the 'sea serpent' attack on a whale (pos. really a giant squid) and the illustrations are reproduced too (including the one of the attack).
[edit: There is a lot of other whale/whaling related publications on there although I'm not sure if they are of Fortean interest]
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Posted: 27-11-2003 03:06 Post subject: |
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Actually the above leads me to Cornell University Library's 'Making of America' Digital Collection:
http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/
[edit: Also the University of Michigan has a similar one (some different publications):
http://www.hti.umich.edu/m/moagrp/ ]
And there could be a lot of early American books stored in there.
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| TheQuixote Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Total posts: 4085 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 27-11-2003 13:54 Post subject: |
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Sacred Texts
The above page- 'Esoteric & Occult' has links to info./studies on:
Thelema
Enochian Magic
Theosophy
Americana
Atlantis
Tarot
Alchemy
Rosicrucian
Golden Dawn
Nostrodamus
Oahspe
Chaos Magic
Erisian
Thee Temple Ov Psychic Youth
Necronomicon (Lovecraft)
UFO's
Piri Re'is Map
Also Fort's 'Book of the Damned' and 'New Lands' |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Posted: 27-11-2003 14:22 Post subject: |
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Quixote: Excellent find - the Piri Re'is map reproduction shows the potential for storing other types of media. The UFOs page:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/index.htm
Also raises the issues of storing BBS, mailing list, etc. information too - something worth thinking about.
The copyright notice in the Fortean area:
| Quote: | Note on Copyrights
According to Mr. X (personal communication):
"...way back in 1973, I conducted my own search of the U.S. Copyright Office records. I discovered that the original copyrights on Fort's books lapsed at the end of their original 28-year period, as the copyrights were not renewed. Both Fort and his widow had died, and apparently, no one bothered to renew the copyrights or knew their value, (these would have been distributed in the estate of Fort's widow). I also discovered, many years later, that Fort directed that his notes and papers were to be made available to Fortean researchers. Simply put, all of Fort's work is in the Public Domain." |
http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/
rasies the question about putting all his various writings and clippings online - what kind of access do we have to it all? This, obviously, would be an important section in itself.
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Posted: 04-12-2003 22:11 Post subject: |
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I have spoken to Mr X on the question of Fort's publications and their availability, etc.. Some of his comments (reproduced with permission):
| Quote: | For your reference, as well as your fellow forum members, there was a period of a few months, a couple of years ago, that my URL was unavailable to most people. Everything was on-line and available to those linked directly to my own ISP, but Network Solutions and my ISP refused to let me change my domain
registration to another company and falsely claimed that my URL was unavailable. The only other times that my web-site might be unavailable is when it is being updated, (the usual service interruptions), with new files.
Also, thanks to you, I see that my work has been plagiarized, again, by people copying my work from Resologist.net and presenting it as their own work. It appears the link to "FORT CORRESPONDENCE" provided by "Quixote," (http://dave.pluckerbooks.com:81/works/fortc/dreiser/), is nothing more than an edited copy taken from my web-site. How do I know? One of my typos is copied, exactly, but that can happen when you copy and paste files and do not have the original material for your proofreading! I've recently discovered that Arthurwendover.com has converted my files into a single xhtml file and copied all of my footnotes in the process. And, now, I see that Blackmask.com
has also copied my files and claims copyright upon this material! For shame upon them! |
Also we have quite a bit more to look forward to including parts of an unpublished book as well as more letters, reviews, a short story, etc. (I haven't reproduced this bit as I wasn't sure how much he wanted made public).
[edit: He also mentione he had added his family tree to Ancestry.com which I dropped in here:
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12024 ]
He does ask:
| Quote: | If you have any information to add to my Fortean bibliography, please let me know. And, perhaps, if there is some interest, I could add a page of links to books of Fortean interest to my web-site. There are quite a few old tomes concerning psychic phenomena that are now available on the Internet. I, also,
recently obtained a rare copy of "The Watseka Wonder" by E.W. Stevens and plan to add it to my web-site. |
So if people know of any other material or have any ideas then feel free to pass them on.
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| TheQuixote Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Total posts: 4085 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-12-2003 22:24 Post subject: |
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Yikes...
I hope I haven't caused any offence to Mr X by posting those links they seemed genuine but if the work is plagarised by that guy, I'd rather delete them, would someone please advise? |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Posted: 04-12-2003 22:27 Post subject: |
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Quixote: You aren't at fault here - in fact your finds have helped give a higher profile to this issue 
I'll clarify the copyright situation with him and it should be easy enough to resolve.
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| TheQuixote Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Total posts: 4085 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 04-12-2003 22:38 Post subject: |
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Cheers, got a bit worried there:(
I hope he does allow access to some of his works and the books he's mentioned. |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Posted: 05-12-2003 03:16 Post subject: |
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Quixote:My understanding (and I've asked Mr. X to calrify some points) is that the 1995-1998 publications of Fort's books weren't just a repackaging of Fort's books but more of a joint effort as Mr. X went through it fixing typos, missing lines, following up the citations and fixing and standardising them so it is in essence a joint work. If you look in the fron you'll see the opyright notice for the first edition and then a more recent copyright for X.
Although Fort's work isn't under copyright and is free for us to distribute, etc. what Mr. X makes available on his site is his shiny, improved and copyrighted version. I assume ther was a misunderstanding (from people probably not au fait with the ins and outs of the various publications) and the sites have thought it was fine to redistribute the more recent revmaped versions.
The solution would be to actually make the first editions available online, explain the misunderstanding and get these first editions in circulation (with a reference to the improved vesion). However, I don't have access to it (I have the recent versions) so..........
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| TheQuixote Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Total posts: 4085 Gender: Female |
| Posted: 05-12-2003 10:12 Post subject: |
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I have deleted the links to Dave Plucker's site re: the Dreiser/Fort correspondence. (reason being the originals can be found on Mr X, Consulting Resologist site- link to which has already been posted elsewhere on this thread)
*Am glad that I have helped in some way re: the copyright issues and material. Will also keep my eye open for any more relevant stuff. |
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| Mighty_Emperor Divine Wind
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| Posted: 05-12-2003 14:37 Post subject: |
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| Quixote wrote: |
I have deleted the links to Dave Plucker's site re: the Dreiser/Fort correspondence. (reason being the originals can be found on Mr X, Consulting Resologist site- link to which has already been posted elsewhere on this thread)
*Am glad that I have helped in some way re: the copyright issues and material. Will also keep my eye open for any more relevant stuff. |
Yep that makes sense - the links might as well point at the definitive version as it is still a work in progress.
If anyone finds any other good resources then throw them in
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