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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 14:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found it interesting in the video of this creature, the man who shot it says that he hopes someone will help him out by identifying it through DNA. Surprised me that he'd actually have to hope, seems that scientists would be on this like flies on honey.

Scary looking fangs of this thing! Surprised
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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 15:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry that cannot be the chupacabra. Without getting a look at its teeth i'm going to say its a herbivore. Apparently it was 'eating mulberrys' under a bush.

Its very light and does not look strong enough to be as vicious as the possible chupacabra attacks.

I think its just an exotic hybrid species, made by some unscrupulous trader to sell as a curio.

Edit: added link - http://www.oftm.com/download/chupa.wav


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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 16:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Think you can ID this creature?

Web Posted: 07/29/2004 12:00 AM CDT

Elvia Aguilar
Exfpress-News Staff Writer

When chickens started disappearing from Devin Mcanally's back yard, he blamed his long-haired terrier, Chenzie.

But when 35 birds vanished in one day, he knew there was another culprit.

Three weeks later, the Elmendorf rancher and retired English teacher still is wondering what attacked his flock, even after shooting a mysterious nearly-hairless critter as it munched on a nearby mulberry tree.

"It had a hair pattern down the ridge of the back about 1 to 2 inches long," Mcanally said. "I have lived here for 15 years and have never seen anything like it."

Mcanally took pictures of the beast before burying it in his backyard. Some of those pictures have circulated among animal experts, who disagree on what it is.

Wildlife biologist Brian Mesenbrink, with the San Antonio office of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, saw the pictures and declared it was a coyote with mange.

Mesenbrink said the Elmendorf area has a heavy concentration of coyotes.

"The mange is caused by parasites that infest the skin of the coyote and end up killing it," he said. "I know the Elmendorf area has a lot of coyotes and I am pretty sure that's what it is."

Not so fast.

Terry DeRosa, living collections manager for the San Antonio Zoo, said that because the creature weighs only about 20 pounds, it could be a wild Mexican dog.

Mcanally isn't so sure it's either.

"I don't believe that it's a coyote," Mcanally said. "The creature had fangs protruding outside the upper jaw unlike any coyote."

He added that the creature's ears resembled those of a desert rat and it had the muzzle of a rat.

He encountered the doglike creature with bluish skin during the day.

He's hoping for a more thorough investigation, since his chickens have stopped disappearing.

"I am curious to see what it is, and I thought more people would be as well," he said. "I would like to see someone identify it through DNA."

Jody Baker, Mcanally's friend, is surprised by his encounter.

"When you are in touch with nature and live in as remote a location as Devin, you become more aware of the diversity of nature and how much we don't know about the natural world around us," she said. "It's truly amazing."


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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 18:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onix can you or can anyone else post some links of pictures of these hairless mexican dogs that look like this animal please Smile

edit: found some tongue

these dogs do look very similar but the creature looks slightly more deer shaped to me (but only slightly)


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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 18:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always think these hairless breeds woul be a bit creepy as pets. Would any one stroke a hairless cat or dog?
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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 18:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Austen wrote:

I always think these hairless breeds woul be a bit creepy as pets. Would any one stroke a hairless cat or dog?


But they'd be ideal if you wanted a pet (non-piscine and non-reptilian) but were allergic to animal fur.Wink
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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 19:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not for me. But popular with 70s strippers.....

The mexican breed was developed as a hot water bottle for aztecs who were too lazy to fetch their own boiling water.

and some dogs do have blue skin...look at a chows tongue

I have seen dogs delicatley pluck blackberries, taking only the ripest. wild strawberries and raspberries are popular too
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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 20:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But they'd be ideal if you wanted a pet (non-piscine and non-reptilian) but were allergic to animal fur.Wink


I am allergic to animal fur - I have to wash my hands after I stroke a dog or my face swells up. Stroking a hairless animal would be either unpleasant or kinky!Wink
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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 20:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, mine eat grass when they're bored. Although, it doesn't really look much like one of the hairless dogs, that's not what I would've thought it was, but at the same time I wouldn't have thought Chupacabra.
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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 21:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

After using Google image search to find photos of foxes and coyotes with mange, I'm pretty convinced that's the case with both of these mystery creatures.

Found one of a fox with mange (left) which looks remarkably like the Elmendorf creature, compare them here side by side. The fox even has a fang showing over its lip like the other creature.


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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 23:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my husband forwarded me this story, a number of things struck me about it.

1) (Lets get my natural pedantry out of the way first.) Even in South Texas, where people who can't speak Spanish nonetheless speak Spanish, the s gets left off!
2) Why did this guy assume that a critter that's eating his mulberries also ate his livestock?
3) Why is it assumed to be a chupacabras when a mutt with mange or Mexican hairless genes is so much more likely? There has been no chupacabras flap in the area recently that I'm aware of. Elmendorf is close enough to SA that I've worked with people who commuted, though it was a long trek. I *should* know about a flap.
4) Mulberries? He's got mulberries? They never appeared in our neighborhood and my figs are rotting on the tree. Stupid weird weather grumble grumble. (Anomolous amounts of rain this year, probably not relevant but you never know with this sort of thing.)

And, putting the most striking things last - 5) This is the third hairless mystery beast this summer! Is there a mange epidemic or what?

I'm also surprised, reading the follow-up (thanks, Emps!), that he buried it instead of taking it in to the taxidermist; though I suppose the local taxidermist may only operate in hunting season. Still, Elmendorf is not a big town and the guy owned a gun. He must know the taxidermist's name. You'd have to do something with it - it's properly summer now, 80 degrees Fahrenheit at 6:00 A.M. today, so the thing started rotting before it hit the ground. But, if he's really stumped as to what it is, he should have taken some sort of step to preserve it - at least, I would have. If nothing else, why didn't he call the county wildlife officer while the body was fresh?

My own money has been on a Mexican hairless mutt, presumably a stray since no one's come after the shooter's hide yet. Since his chickens have stopped dying, it's possible he got the culprit, and if so any dog owner is out of luck since livestock-killing dogs are given short shrift in rural areas. But that's odd, too - 35 chickens in one day?!?! That's not a one-dog job, unless it's kill-crazy; that's a pack. And a kill-crazy dog among the chicken makes a ruckus and should have been caught in the act.

So even without it being a chupacabras, there's plenty to think about.
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PostPosted: 29-07-2004 23:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at that pic i'm likely to agree that its a mangey fox.
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PostPosted: 30-07-2004 03:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

the fang like teeth on either side of its mouth mark this out as something strange. It just may be a new type of animal , previously identified as a chupacabra. However if it is then from other descriptions of the chupacabra id say there must be at least one other form of unknown animal out there identified as a chupacabra. Some of those reports alluded to "wing" like protusions, and there are obviously nothing like that on this.
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PostPosted: 30-07-2004 03:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scarlett wrote:

I think you mean 'elbow'? In dogs the 'knee' on the hind legs is called the stifle joint.


Yep, that's the word. Didn't remember until today. Thanks.
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PostPosted: 30-07-2004 04:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm kind of frustrated as I can't watch the video (bloody idiots using Windows Media), and the stills are kind of blurry.

My first thought, on seeing the body shots, was that it was a small species of deer. (Possibly not native to the area.) The close up of the head looked more like a rat than anything else.
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