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oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2146 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
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| Oh no look, the bullet must have gone through the chupacabra and hit a poor mangy coyote. |
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| jimv1 Great Old One Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Total posts: 2734 Gender: Male |
| Posted: 15-09-2013 09:26 Post subject: |
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| Are coyotes blue under the fur? |
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| Fluttermoth Mrs Treguard
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| Posted: 15-09-2013 11:36 Post subject: |
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| I don't know about coyotes specifically, but most wild animals do have black, 'blue' or dark grey skin, whatever their hair colour. |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2146 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
| Posted: 15-09-2013 14:29 Post subject: |
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| jimv1 wrote: | | Are coyotes blue under the fur? |
Yes. These so called blue dogs have been tested in the real world by vets, anatomists and zoologists. Anatomically they're identical to coyotes, genetically they're identical to coyotes (although it's been claimed that they're hybrids, whereas in fact their DNA exactly matches any other coyote's in that it shows some interbreeding with other canids). |
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| jimv1 Great Old One Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Total posts: 2734 Gender: Male |
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| Mythopoeika Boring petty conservative
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| Posted: 16-09-2013 21:45 Post subject: |
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| That mangy bear...looks like a werewolf! |
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| SameOldVardoger Great Old One Gender: Male |
| Posted: 17-09-2013 14:47 Post subject: |
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| Mythopoeika wrote: | | That mangy bear...looks like a werewolf! |
If nothing else, bears and wolves are related. However I do not think bears related to werewolfs. |
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| Zilch5 Vogon Poet
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| Posted: 19-09-2013 06:16 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Man Believes He's Killed A Chupacabra
A Mississippi man shot a strange creature he believes to be a chupacabra -- a legendary creature that most experts believe to be nothing but a myth.
Matthew Harrell of Leake County killed the bizarre-looking animal Wednesday morning while "coon hunting" in a chicken coop.
"My neighbor said the creature had killed three of his chickens," the 28-year-old told The Huffington Post. "I thought it was a coon at first."
That opinion changed after he saw the bizarre animal's red glowing eyes.
"This one just wasn't lunging. He was down like a cat," Harrell told WJTV-TV. "When I was standing right yonder, he hit right here. And I was seeing the teeth and red eyes. It looked like he was going to jump down there and i didn't give him the chance."
The animal Harrell shot is almost without hair and its nails are longer than what most dogs would have on its paws. |
Video at the link - but it just looks like another mangy coyote... 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/matthew-harrell_n_3921520.html |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2146 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
| Posted: 19-09-2013 19:40 Post subject: |
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Au contraire.
While the offspring of a coyote and a wolf (for example) could be correctly termed a hybrid, no definition of the word as I understand it could be applied to an individual whose genetic makeup was typical for the species as a whole.
There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that the animals parent were in any way distinct from each other. So technically they're wrong. And technically I'm right which as you say is the best kind. |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2146 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
| Posted: 19-09-2013 19:43 Post subject: |
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| jimv1 wrote: | Thanks for clearing that up. It reminds me of those amazing pictures of mangy bears.
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I've just seen that photos, and it does look a bit werewolfy. |
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| kamalktk Great Old One Joined: 05 Feb 2011 Total posts: 705 Gender: Unknown |
| Posted: 19-09-2013 20:45 Post subject: |
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| oldrover wrote: | | kamalktk wrote: | | oldrover wrote: | | (although it's been claimed that they're hybrids, whereas in fact their DNA exactly matches any other coyote's in that it shows some interbreeding with other canids). |
So they're technically correct. 
Au contraire.
While the offspring of a coyote and a wolf (for example) could be correctly termed a hybrid, no definition of the word as I understand it could be applied to an individual whose genetic makeup was typical for the species as a whole.
There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that the animals parent were in any way distinct from each other. So technically they're wrong. And technically I'm right which as you say is the best kind. |
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How would you explain something like the red wolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wolf with that definition? It was genetic study that determined red wolves as a species are possibly a coyote-wolf hybrid. Yet the red wolf is considered a separate species, and a red wolf pup born to red wolf parents would be genetically typical.
I think the "chupacabra is a hybrid" people are claiming onto this sort of definition of hybrid. The animal breeds true but has identifieable dna from multiple species, much like the coyote with canid dna. Thus, the "chupacabra" is both a separate species and each individual is genetically typical, and a hybrid, much like the red wolf.
/chopped out the pic to save space
/ I personally go with "animal with mange" for chupacabra, so this is all in the interest of banter. |
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| CygnusRex Incubus Joined: 04 Jan 2002 Total posts: 1771 Location: NOT on a ladder, just outside your bedroom window Age: 83 Gender: Male |
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| oldrover Great Old One Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Total posts: 2146 Location: Wales Gender: Male |
| Posted: 22-09-2013 13:38 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | How would you explain something like the red wolf ...
/ I personally go with "animal with mange" for chupacabra, so this is all in the interest of banter. |
In the case of the red wolf, as far as that link is concerned, the results of the genetic study have been highly disputed. Apparently instead of using red wolves they actually did use coyote wolf hybrids. I'm a bit confused about that too.
As to the crux of the question;
| Quote: | | Yet the red wolf is considered a separate species, and a red wolf pup born to red wolf parents would be genetically typical. |
I honestly don't know. I mean as far as the red wolf example OK that could well be spurious research, but I can't say that I think that it couldn't happen like that. Perhaps my definition of hybrid is too rigid.
Ultimately though I fear these poor mangy animals are going to be the next big craze. Perhaps Kechum will do a 'proper' DNA analysis and publish another paper. That'll answer all our questions.
| Quote: | | So when all is said and done, this thread is in fact about alien looking blood-suckers that feast on furry mammals. Its just a question of scale |
Indeed. |
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