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PostPosted: 20-04-2003 02:39    Post subject: Google know what everyone who has ever searched for anything Reply with quote

http://uk.indymedia.org:8081/front.php3?article_id=64188&group=webcast

Don't go searching for "president bush allah bomb"... Surprised
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PostPosted: 20-04-2003 03:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. BS, cookies are just text files, you can delete them.
2. BS, most cookies do that. Plus, see #1.
3, 4. Who cares? They know some search strings you typed in. Big deal. See #1.
5. Wow, paranoid?
6. Thats typical annoying adware behavior. And google doesn't trick you into downloading it, like Gator or the stupid purble gorrila does.
7. Yes, this is pretty annoying.
8. I use Altavista sometimes myself.
9. Search engines have existed since the dawn of the internet. Deal.
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PostPosted: 20-04-2003 08:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing guaranteed to p*ss people off is #2.

The result is, you get fewer and fewer results until you get nothing whatsoever (this has happened to me with song lyrics).

I clear out my cookies regularly and my temp internet files empties every time I shut down IE, so it looks like you can't stop this happening (unless someone out there knows something I don't, which shouldn't be too difficult).
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PostPosted: 20-04-2003 10:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papa Lazarou wrote:

The result is, you get fewer and fewer results until you get nothing whatsoever (this has happened to me with song lyrics).


Does that really happen? I'm always looking up song lyrics. I'd hate to think I wouldn't be able to eventually. Sad
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PostPosted: 20-04-2003 13:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who works with Google on a daily basis I can say that No. 2 is complete garbage. Google DOES NOT tailor results on IP unless regional searches are undertaken, or in the event of location-based Adwords. If you're finding less, you're searching wrong; end of story. And to be clear, I'm no fan of Google, in fact I hate them, but there's plenty to criticise without making stuff up.
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PostPosted: 20-04-2003 15:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desperado wrote:

As someone who works with Google on a daily basis I can say that No. 2 is complete garbage. Google DOES NOT tailor results on IP unless regional searches are undertaken, or in the event of location-based Adwords. If you're finding less, you're searching wrong; end of story. And to be clear, I'm no fan of Google, in fact I hate them, but there's plenty to criticise without making stuff up.


Excuse me? How can putting a few lyrics or a song title be searching wrong? And I assure you I'm not making it up - once I could get lyrics by typing one or two keywords in, now I get nothing at all more often than not, yet Lycos throws up dozens of hits.

Besides, someone on this very message board threw up the very same explanation when i posted this some time ago (see post 2 by Androman).
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PostPosted: 20-04-2003 15:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

All my porn's safe though right???
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PostPosted: 20-04-2003 16:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Papa Lazarou wrote:

Excuse me? How can putting a few lyrics or a song title be searching wrong? And I assure you I'm not making it up - once I could get lyrics by typing one or two keywords in, now I get nothing at all more often than not, yet Lycos throws up dozens of hits.


Google is constantly changing its directory listings, with a big change at the end of each month (the Google dance). Sites move up and down, in and out, and are indexed for different keywords and phrases. A site that may have ranked well for a keyphrase last week might not rank at all this week.

Lycos has nothing to do with Google. It's like saying because you found an item in Sainsbury's you should be able to find it in Tesco. Some other SEs like Yahoo display Google results, and Google does base itself on other directories such as DMOZ, but at the end of the day all search engines will produce different results, no conspiracy here.

So please, take it from me, search results - other than location-based and some Adwords functions - having nothing to do with your IP address or how often you've searched or ANYTHING other than the current Google site index.

And if you don't believe me, think why would Google stop displaying search results. It would be like a shop refusing to serve their customers. It simply doesn't happen.
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PostPosted: 23-04-2003 16:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

how many more times?

every electronic communication, web, landline, mobile, text, is monitored by somebody somewhere

Osama Bin Laden Semtex Cocaine

I just illuminated this thread

someone, or some machine will scan it, realise its bollocks (for their purposes) and move on

this is not paranoia, its our technology

of more concern to me is the fact that if I do a search on 16th century Mexican agrarian economics, up pops eBay trying to sell me Mexico
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PostPosted: 23-04-2003 16:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

This month's WIRED magazine has an article in which
the author spends three 8-hour sessions watching
what comes up in searches at Google Headquarters.

He makes sure he is there in the morning, at noon and overnight, so he can see how search queries from around the world change over the course of a typical day.

It actually gets quite poignant when at around midnight of the final day, there is a search for "what to tell a suicidal friend"
and the ISP is only a few miles from where they sit.

But as the article points out:
there is NOTHING they can do about it.

TVgeek
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PostPosted: 23-04-2003 17:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

there used to be a site linked to one of the early search engines (Webcrawler?) which would pop up random searches as they came in

about 6-8 years ago I think
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PostPosted: 23-04-2003 18:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Osama Bin Laden Semtex Cocaine

I just illuminated this thread


I doubt it. :p Even if routine scanning of all information was undertaken, which it isn't, these words would not trigger a thing. One of the most basic concepts of communications between criminal entities is that incriminating words or phrases are never, EVER used, under ANY circumstances. You will NEVER hear a drug dealer talk of "drugs", or an arms dealer talk of "guns", or a terrorist talk of "bombs". To suggest they do simply shows a lack of knowledge about the criminal world.

But you're right that this site is being scanned. It is being scanned by Google bots at least once a day in order to rank it within their results according to relevency. It will also be scanned by other SEs and directories, but that's about it.

There is a site that you can monitor Google searches yourself but I forget the IP address. Some amazing things appear...
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PostPosted: 28-04-2003 18:01    Post subject: Web Surveillence Reply with quote

Pscyhological insights of Web searches

If there was a computer that knew psychology, could it monitor (to use this example) Google searches, and build up a picture of the e-zeitgeist, or e-mindset, and work out what people are thinking.

An example:

You have 100 users, and five websites, one each representing far-left, left, centrist, right, far-right political views.

Each of the five sites receives a steady level of visitors: FL- 5, L - 25, C- 30, R- 5 and FR- 5.

And in this 100-user world you have three external events- a war, an (unrelated!) humanitarian crisis, and an asylum crisis..

If, when the war came, public opinion shifted to the right- all for war. Then, when the humanitarian crisis came, a shift to the left, with want to aid. Then, with the ayslum crisis, stuttering between left and right...you could gauge the opinion of this 100-user world.

Of course, this is a very simple example- it doesn't account for the psychology you would probably need, and it assumes most of us are regular, dedicated webusers...

But still, They could manage it...if only by monitoring conspiracy forums like this:

Conspiracist 1: ''There's an awful lot of talk about our black helicopters- sightings more regular now, from dependable witnesses...'
Conspiractist 2: ''Okay, we'll steadily cut back on the helicopters. Use cars for a while, instead..''

If they know our plans, they can account for them, and if they know our plan of attack, they can arrange their defence accordingly...

''Knowledge is power'' as Bacon mused.
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PostPosted: 11-02-2006 02:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the Desktop search raises serious security issues:

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Google Copies Your Hard Drive - Government Smiles in Anticipation

Consumers Should Not Use New Google Desktop

San Francisco - Google today announced a new "feature" of its Google Desktop software that greatly increases the risk to consumer privacy. If a consumer chooses to use it, the new "Search Across Computers" feature will store copies of the user's Word documents, PDFs, spreadsheets and other text-based documents on Google's own servers, to enable searching from any one of the user's computers. EFF urges consumers not to use this feature, because it will make their personal data more vulnerable to subpoenas from the government and possibly private litigants, while providing a convenient one-stop-shop for hackers who've obtained a user's Google password.

"Coming on the heels of serious consumer concern about government snooping into Google's search logs, it's shocking that Google expects its users to now trust it with the contents of their personal computers," said EFF Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston. "If you use the Search Across Computers feature and don't configure Google Desktop very carefully—and most people won't—Google will have copies of your tax returns, love letters, business records, financial and medical files, and whatever other text-based documents the Desktop software can index. The government could then demand these personal files with only a subpoena rather than the search warrant it would need to seize the same things from your home or business, and in many cases you wouldn't even be notified in time to challenge it. Other litigants—your spouse, your business partners or rivals, whoever—could also try to cut out the middleman (you) and subpoena Google for your files."

The privacy problem arises because the Electronic Communication Privacy Act of 1986, or ECPA, gives only limited privacy protection to emails and other files that are stored with online service providers—much less privacy than the legal protections for the same information when it's on your computer at home. And even that lower level of legal protection could disappear if Google uses your data for marketing purposes. Google says it is not yet scanning the files it copies from your hard drive in order to serve targeted advertising, but it hasn't ruled out the possibility, and Google's current privacy policy appears to allow it.

"This Google product highlights a key privacy problem in the digital age," said Cindy Cohn, EFF's Legal Director. "Many Internet innovations involve storing personal files on a service provider's computer, but under outdated laws, consumers who want to use these new technologies have to surrender their privacy rights. If Google wants consumers to trust it to store copies of personal computer files, emails, search histories and chat logs, and still 'not be evil,' it should stand with EFF and demand that Congress update the privacy laws to better reflect life in the wired world."

For more on Google's data collection:
http://news.com.com/FAQ+When+Google+is+not+your+friend/2100-1025_3-6034666.html?tag=nl http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/01/21/google_subpoena_roils_the_web http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/01/20/EDGEPGPHA61.DTL http://news.com.com/%20Bill+would+force+Web+sites+to+delete+personal+info/2100-1028_3-6036951.html


www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_02.php#004400
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PostPosted: 12-02-2006 21:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i must say if this is true good luck to them lol
as they would have the biggest pile of meaninless durge in the history of mankind
just what good whould it do them?think of the numbers involved they would be absolutly VAST

if any important detail could be gleened from it this in itself would be a hurculean feat
mr x from texas lookin for train tickets
miss b from bromwhich needin goosberry pie recipies
child z from who care typing a whole load of drivel untill the late hours
but times the WHOLE world
and then theres the non belevers who dare i say it "dont use google"
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