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PostPosted: 26-07-2013 20:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sentry - good blog, nice job getting to original sources and trying to sort out the later embellishments.
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PostPosted: 27-07-2013 02:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, it has been tricky trying to point out some of the errors in the case without sounding overly negative towards the original investigator(s). Considering their standing in the UFO community there hasn't been any backlash to date, although I'm beginning to detect some resistance from some quarters in responding to reasonable requests for case materials.

By the way, I've heard your signature line a bit differently,
"I'd rather have a FREE bottle in front of me than a PREfrontal lobotomy."






Edited for diplomacy
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PostPosted: 28-07-2013 13:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always thought that given the reported airforce helicopters and the radiation effects that a nuclear jet or nuclear thermal rocket was involved. These had been developed in the preceding couple of decades and the projects shelved - or had they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_thermal_rocket
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto
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PostPosted: 29-07-2013 01:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMPHIARAUS, the nuclear craft may be a red herring. there is no conclusive evidence the injuries in this case were the result of ionizing radiation. Check Brad Sparks' comments). Even if nuclear radiation did contribute, John Schuessler admits it doesn't explain the other apparent symptoms, and we'd have to bring in other types of radiation, microwave, and perhaps x-rays for starters.

Remember, at the time, there was a lore of radiation injuries caused by UFO encounters, and perhaps the investigators rushed to fit this case into the scenario, whether of ET or terrestrial origin. None of the original doctors who treated Betty Cash diagnosed her as having radiation exposure;they only discussed that some of her symptom resembled it. Only Dr. Peter Rank, who did not examine the witnesses, advocated the radiation exposure scenario, and even then, with a stack of qualifiers. Dr. Bryan McClelleand, Betty Cash's physician in Alabama. (a family practitioner, not a radiologist), is the only doctor to directly state that she had radiation exposure.

This still leaves us with a pile of problems, no matter the source of the injuries. The encounter seems authentic, but apparently not nuclear. Could it have been a chemical exposure from the craft's exhaust?
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PostPosted: 29-07-2013 07:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sentry wrote:

Another weird bit is that the helicopters origin has never been identified. Even if you accept the shaky testimony of the recruited secondary witnesses, there is nothing to prove helicopters were physically there. There have been theories suggesting that the helicopters were UFOs themselves (part of some cover/defensive system, and others such as Dr. Hynek and Col. John Alexander suggest the helicopters were either holographic or mental projections.


What makes the idea of some kind of « pseudo-helicopters » more plausiblein this case, is the sheer number of them involved. It is really huge. That makes between half and two-thirds of a whole regiment. It would set a whole base into turmoil. It is hard to guess how this could be concealed. It is very difficult to reconcile with a first-degree interpretation of a craft chased or escorted by military helicopters.
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PostPosted: 23-11-2013 19:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on one of my articles releasing "hidden" documents, Robert Sheaffer recently wrote an article on the case: http://badufos.blogspot.com/2013/11/between-beer-joint-and-some-kind-of.html
Check the comments to see the controversy it stirred up.

Since then, I've released more files on the case:
http://www.blueblurrylines.com

The short of it: the investigation of the case seems seriously flawed, but nothing yet has tarnished the witness themselves. This may be a case of the investigator over-promoting and inflating the story.
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PostPosted: 13-01-2014 18:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice you made the FT magazine with this story, Sentry. The writers think this has seriously undermined the credibility of one of the most famous cases in UFO history, which I'm a little sad about, but if it was mostly embellished then it's better to know.
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PostPosted: 15-01-2014 13:55    Post subject: New Cash-Landrum article Reply with quote

http://theobjectreport.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-cash-landrum-incident-evidence.html
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PostPosted: 19-01-2014 02:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

gncxx wrote:
I notice you made the FT magazine with this story, Sentry.

Thank you for mentioning that, I had not heard, and almost squealed like a schoolgirl rushing to get a copy. I'm very excited to have more people hear about the emerging details. It is premature to dismiss the case, but it's clear that we have to start fresh and verify everything.

feinman, that link you provided has a good article, but some factual errors. I know it sounds haughty, but I've emailed the author with corrections. There's much I like about it, and I'm glad to see others taking a fresh look at things. (Edited to add: article now revised. Still some highly speculative content.)

I had no idea this FT piece was coming, but I wrote an article on the case for UFO Today #2, and i believe it will be featured on the cover. It's a greatly expanded version of my article on the quest to strip away the myths about the appearance and performance of the UFO.


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PostPosted: 19-01-2014 04:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the information, Sentry! I look forward to reading your article. You are doing everyone a service by correcting factual errors.
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