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PostPosted: 11-01-2007 06:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It might have been emitting neutrinos or Higgs Bosons, but if they affected tissues by ionisation, the effects would be roughly similar to gamma-rays.


But once again, why wouild an alien craft, possiblely hundreds of years in advance of terrestrial technology, be forced to emit radiation in agreement with 20th Century/early 21st Century terrestrial knowledge of the subject?

Sir Arthur C. Clarke, a man for whom I have a very great respect, once opined that alien craft could not possibly land unsuspected on earth, because "anything much larger than a fountain pen would be picked up by terrestrial radar."

But how could Sir Arthur so glibly assume that a civilization capable of crossing interstellar space couldn't easily evade (or just plain ignore) 20th Century terrestrial radar?
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PostPosted: 11-01-2007 18:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly, a number of well documented cases have a certain amount of radar evidence.
It is entirely probable that each of those cases are explained by misidentification of known aircraft, unknown experimental craft, faulty equipment, badly recorded data or anomalous propagation; so we are in the same boat as with visual cases, not being able to prove anything.

I have every confidence that an advanced civilisation would be able to avoid radar detection, using a number of different strategies; but it seems to me that they would in fact be able to avoid all detection, which implies (but does not prove) that (if they exist) they want to be seen on occasion.

A strange strategy, but they are aliens after all..
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PostPosted: 12-01-2007 04:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another possibility is that the aliens simply don't care whether we see them or not.

They may make no more effort to evade us than a modern jet bomber flying low over unexplored jungle tries to hide from the natives with their blow-guns.
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PostPosted: 12-01-2007 08:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldTimeRadio wrote:
But once again, why wouild an alien craft, possiblely hundreds of years in advance of terrestrial technology, be forced to emit radiation in agreement with 20th Century/early 21st Century terrestrial knowledge of the subject?


Think about the alternative.

Yes, there might be shapeshifting, timetravelling beings with paranormal abilities who can walk through walls, communicate telepathically and appear in any form to some people while being invisible to others next to them.

But does this type opf approach have any power to explain anything?

In any case, the only suggestion of radiation seems to have come from the witnesses.
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PostPosted: 12-01-2007 09:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely the medical effects of radiation poisoning (which the expert cited above thinks wasn't the cause of Betty Cash's medical condition) would be identical whether they were caused by a nuclear submarine or an alien spacecraft?

How could aliens have a 'different' kind of radiation - assuming that the laws of physics are consistent throughout the universe? Isn't that a bit like saying that they might have a different kind of hydrogen? (I'm asking, not telling - my knowledge of physics would fit on a postage stamp.)

My guess, for what its worth, would be the object was some kind of experimental military aircraft that malfunctioned.
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PostPosted: 13-01-2007 00:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triangular UFOs/craft are covered in some detail at
http://www.thewhyfiles.net/triangle.htm

including the Belgian flap.
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PostPosted: 13-01-2007 07:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

whyfiles2001 wrote:
Triangular UFOs/craft are covered in some detail at
http://www.thewhyfiles.net/triangle.htm

including the Belgian flap.
Geoff
Jolly good. However, if you look back a page or two you may notice that issue has been taken with one or two of the facts (if we can deem them such) of this specific case on your site.
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I will have to retract my previous criticism of the Whyfiles report; at least one other witness did mention a diamond shaped object that night. Corroborative witnesses often are influenced by newspaper reports; but that doesn't mean to say we can dismiss them out of hand.

I am still amazed at the audacity of the Credible Sport project, however; the plant was to land a C-130 Hercules in a football stadium, a space which was not much longer than the plane itself.
This would be achieved by flying above the football field, and stopping in midair by firing eight forward facing rockets on the front of the plane;
See here
http://members.aol.com/mkonvalin/fave/ymc-1303.jpg
The plane would drop like a stone, to be supported by eight downward pointing rocket blasts -
http://edition.cnn.com/US/9703/03/iran.hostage/plane.lift.lg.jpg
and land almost vertically. A Delta force of specialised soldiers would pour out, rescue th hostages, and then take off almost vertically under the thrust of eighteen rockets, with 150 people(presumably) tied down on the floor of the Herc.
In the event the first test landing looked like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv_SNIvCzxs
the Herc was a write-off and buried at the airfield.
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PostPosted: 13-01-2007 09:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How could aliens have a 'different' kind of radiation - assuming that the laws of physics are consistent throughout the universe?


I wasn't arguing that "aliens have a 'different' kind of radiation" - although that's possible. It was Einstein himself who said "'E = MC Squared' may be purely a local phenomenon."

But isn't it possible that an engineering and medical technology 500 years in advance of Earth no longer fears radiation poisoning?
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Yes, there might be shapeshifting, timetravelling beings with paranormal abilities who can walk through walls, communicate telepathically and appear in any form to some people while being invisible to others next to them.


Again, I'm NOT arguing that aliens (assuming they exist) have any such "magical" powers.

But why do we assume that a medical science 500 years in advance of our own will still see the dangers of nuclear radiation exactly as we do today? Our own terrestrial medical and scientific knowledge has made some advances since 1507.
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PostPosted: 13-01-2007 10:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

eburacum wrote:
I will have to retract my previous criticism of the Whyfiles report; at least one other witness did mention a diamond shaped object that night. Corroborative witnesses often are influenced by newspaper reports; but that doesn't mean to say we can dismiss them out of hand.
In which case I withdraw my observation.

I will however reiterate that while observations on the case at hand are always welcome, as are specific links, general adverts should be confined to Announcements.
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PostPosted: 13-01-2007 12:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldTimeRadio wrote:
It was Einstein himself who said "'E = MC Squared' may be purely a local phenomenon."


I don't think so!! Got a source?

OldTimeRadio wrote:
But isn't it possible that an engineering and medical technology 500 years in advance of Earth no longer fears radiation poisoning?


Or environmental damage. Or lawsuits.
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Please excuse if the following has already been mentioned but I may have missed it.

When this case first made the headlines Three types of helicopter were mentioned the double roter, small single roter and also a single larger helicopter bigger than the double roter ones. at the time I thought it (the UFO) was some failing government project and that the big helicopter was to tow the UFO away if neccessary. I thought this big chopper would have been a skycrane or similiar.

The damage to the three witnesses was said to have caused by Microwave Ultraviolet and X-ray energy.

Similiar object was seen some distance away in the USA a day or two before.

Sorry can give no references just what I remember from the time.
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If the UFO was attached (by cables?) to an overhead helicopter, then it might have been some kind of dangerous machinery.
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Someone ought to go back and find the kid and interview him. He should be in his 30s by now and it would be interesting to see what he has to say. I know Betty Cash is now dead but you have to wonder if he or his mother have had any chronic problems.

I don't really know what to make of this case. My skeptical nature makes me think there's something not quite right about the story, but I don't know what it is. I doubt we'll ever get any definitive answers.

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