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Posted: 22-05-2003 22:53 Post subject: Bob Lazar: Conclusions?

Are there any conclusions within the UFO community about the veracity of Bob Lazar's claims?

I did a search for threads that mention him, and he's only mentioned a few times here, so I wondered what everybody's take on him was and if he's discredited or if he's considered the real deal.

Posted: 22-05-2003 22:58 Post subject: Interesting overview here

http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/UFO/bob_lazar.htm

Posted: 22-05-2003 23:25 Post subject: Lazar

Well....there's lots of telling stuff in his story, such as his payslips with "MJ-12" as a prefix, the consistancy of his accounts, etc - it all boils down, as usual, to:

A) Is he telling the truth, and the powers that be have let him run with it as they believe most people will consign him to the "nutter" tray (and those that do believe will obviously belong in the self-same tray), or

B) Is he actually a just a convincing nutter, period?

Having seen a fair few documentaries etc about our Bob, I'm staying on the fence for the time being. If he's legit, then yes it's a huge revelation, but personally until I see the money shot, I won't be 100% convinced - which is what the whole thing turns on: the true believers will believe regardless, the skeptics will dismiss regardless..

And as for (I'd guess) most of us - however plausible Lazar may be (how apt is that name Very Happy

?), the hardcore Fortean will always have nagging doubts, however minor, or indeed major.

And will we ever see the aforementioned money shot? Discuss.

Posted: 23-05-2003 00:15 Post subject:

Hmm - one has to wonder why a so-called super secret organisation put it's acronym on his payslips...?

Aside from that, Lazar hasn't brought forth any evidence for what he claims. Without that, it's difficult to take what he says any more seriously than what, for example, Adamski was saying 50 years ago.

Even the whole MJ-12 thing is itself rather fishy - as no insiders that predate the 'uncovering' of MJ-12 mention it, depsite the fact that it has supposedly existed for 50+ years.

Posted: 23-05-2003 00:24 Post subject:

Well yes, exactly - it's the Onion Game once again, isn't it? "Let the groundlings strip away at the layers while we carry on regardless..". If indeed it is a cover-up.

MJ12 is a seperate subject, granted - it was just one of the factors that caught my eye in the last Lazar exposee I watched.

End of the day, who knows? Lazar and the great mysterious "Authorities". And we'll be stuck in the middle for ever.

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Posted: 25-05-2003 17:07 Post subject: love that bob - not

Is there something about US deserts that attracts / breeds people who are blessed with what Jennifer Jones' husband in Beat The Devil calls " a lively imagination " ?

After all, Texas produced Patricia Highsmith, who dined with snails, Whitley Strieber, Terry Southern, Joe R. Lansdale, Charles Whitman and weapons hallucinator George W. Bush. I apologize for my many omissions.

Posted: 25-05-2003 18:26 Post subject: Build your own Bob

1) Take a subject with an air of respectability, a regular guy who doesn't look like a crank, preferably someone with scientific or some other professional credentials.

2) Even if he doesn't have total respectability, some kind of a blot on the copy book, then simply blame it on Them attempting to discredit you.

3) Even if you don't have the scientific credentials you claim to have, say it was done by Them attempting to discredit you. e.g. erasing all record of you attending an educational insitution you say you attended.

4) If you ever worked at a genuine military/government installation (JPL, Los Alamos, Wright-Patterson AFB), say so and provide the proof, even if you only made the tea.

5) Produce an incredible, yet believable, story about witnessing reverse engineered technology. Make the incredible claim, but anchor it in reality by surrounding the tale in terrestrial and procedural details.

6) Use as much detail as you can, including acronyms, names, what you had for breakfast .etc. to support your fabrication. Over elaborate if possible.

7) Add some science for good measure. Use terms and principles which are known and in the public domain....

Cool

...then extrapolate into the incredible. Laymen will not know the difference, but will be impressed by the use of terms such as Element 117 and bombarding elements with protons to produce antiprotons .etc. Somehow you will jump from standard physics into "ultra-efficient thermionic generators" and nuclear reactions that generate gravity waves.

9) Appear on documentaries, write books, but as a nice little sideline rather than your main source of income as interest in these things are short lived and rapidly cool.

10) Hook up with a charismatic, dogged researcher who is regularly wheeled onto chat shows to discuss such topics. This will open doors.

11) Back up your appearance as a regular guy by making statements such as "if I were you, I wouldn't believe me either" or "I know it's incredible, and I know I can't prove it, but that's what I saw."

Posted: 26-05-2003 18:51 Post subject: Re: Build your own Bob

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Posted: 27-05-2003 14:09 Post subject:

I actually have no idea. I saw a documentary about him at some point, and one of the things they showed was him talking to the artists who were working on it.

If anyone out there has any ideas what it is, could they please let all of us know where we can get a look at it?

Posted: 31-05-2003 03:39 Post subject:

I think a US model kit company was putting out a plastic kit of a saucer Lazar supposedly saw and it was to come with a little comic-style version of his tale..No idea if it actually came out, this is just from memory. Was called "S-4 Saucer" or similar, the company was possibly Testors - they used to make kits of theoretical stealth planes and a few UFO's including one based on the dodgy Kaufman Roswell story.

Posted: 31-05-2003 18:30 Post subject: Lazar speaks!

If Lazar really had anything to say, he'd be dead, or locked up.

He isn't, so he doesn't.

Posted: 04-05-2006 00:12 Post subject: Bob Lazar and Area 51

Without doubt Bob Lazar is one of the most controversial
personalities ever to have been involved in Ufology. A number of
experienced and eminent Ufologists are of the opinion that he is an
absolute (but highly intelligent) fraudster, whilst others do regard
his claims seriously.
Love him or hate him, Bob Lazar has certainly made a major impact in
the world of Ufology, especially with his claims to have worked as a
physicist at Area 51, involving the reverse engineering of UFOs.

See:
http://www.thewhyfiles.net/boblazar.htm

You can't consider Bob Lazar without examining Area 51 - a top
secret base about the size of Switzerland that officially still does
not exist!

"Edwards Air Force Base was deemed not to be "secure" enough for the
test of such a craft so Johnson gave his top test pilot, Tony
Levier, the task of finding a suitably secure area in the Southwest
where it would safe to do so. Levier checked a number of sites
before arriving at a dry lake - Groom Lake in Nevada - adjacent to
what was called the Atomic Energy Commission Proving Grounds (later
re-named the Nevada Test Site). Groom Lake proved to meet the
requirements of a testing site for a top-secret aircraft - a ready
surface for landing, unpopulated and unattractive because of the
pollution caused by radio active fall out."

See:
http://www.thewhyfiles.net/Area51.htm

These articles include audio and video files
Geoff Richardson
www.thewhyfiles.net